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		<title>By: don K</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-4078</link>
		<dc:creator>don K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well look. I beleive God created the world in six days. Read your bibles people. From here on you can add together the age of all the people in the bible to get the age of the earth. I&#039;ve personally done this and found it comes to 4.63 billion years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well look. I beleive God created the world in six days. Read your bibles people. From here on you can add together the age of all the people in the bible to get the age of the earth. I&#8217;ve personally done this and found it comes to 4.63 billion years.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-4074</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Common sense prevails.
Anyone with any reason can look at the much published evidence for evolution and see that it is a theory thats is in (I apologise for the bad pun) evolution.
From Darwin to the modern day a theory has grown and developed. Blind pathways or bad science has been discarded for real scientific method. Towering figures in the field has cheerfully amended thesis when new evidence has come to light or their methods found wanting. 
This is how the human state continues, through thought, theory and experiment, not through archaic and tenuous abstract theology.

Oh dear a post without an attempt at humor. Ok then...erm...bum?
Sorry, I will hang my head and get my coat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common sense prevails.<br />
Anyone with any reason can look at the much published evidence for evolution and see that it is a theory thats is in (I apologise for the bad pun) evolution.<br />
From Darwin to the modern day a theory has grown and developed. Blind pathways or bad science has been discarded for real scientific method. Towering figures in the field has cheerfully amended thesis when new evidence has come to light or their methods found wanting.<br />
This is how the human state continues, through thought, theory and experiment, not through archaic and tenuous abstract theology.</p>
<p>Oh dear a post without an attempt at humor. Ok then&#8230;erm&#8230;bum?<br />
Sorry, I will hang my head and get my coat.</p>
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		<title>By: ReliegiousMarie</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-4022</link>
		<dc:creator>ReliegiousMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm Interesting....to see the difference between the two....but what if you think the middle somewhere is true....a mix of both as....Us being created by genetically advanced ´humans´´ millions of years ago....sounds way of eh...but its a perfect mix between two fighting camps tss...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm Interesting&#8230;.to see the difference between the two&#8230;.but what if you think the middle somewhere is true&#8230;.a mix of both as&#8230;.Us being created by genetically advanced ´humans´´ millions of years ago&#8230;.sounds way of eh&#8230;but its a perfect mix between two fighting camps tss&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those in the UK (sorry everyone else) you can get a FREE Darwin Tree of Life poster from the BBC &amp; OU @ www.open2.net/Darwin/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those in the UK (sorry everyone else) you can get a FREE Darwin Tree of Life poster from the BBC &amp; OU @ <a href="http://www.open2.net/Darwin/" rel="nofollow">http://www.open2.net/Darwin/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-4000</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam
We all seem to be arguing the same point! I DON&#039;T BELIEVE IN CREATIONISM, but I do think everyone is entitled to their own option! I don&#039;t see it being dangerous to suggest another viewpoint. This is not a communist state. And yes, if people want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then fine. I oppose aggressive options place onto others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam<br />
We all seem to be arguing the same point! I DON&#8217;T BELIEVE IN CREATIONISM, but I do think everyone is entitled to their own option! I don&#8217;t see it being dangerous to suggest another viewpoint. This is not a communist state. And yes, if people want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then fine. I oppose aggressive options place onto others!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-3998</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara - My answer to your initial question is that in science, one creates a hypothesis &amp; comes up with experiments to proove/disproove it. In the case of Creationism, Science is being used  as a rhetorical tool to justify a point of view - and is thus being twisted so far out of context that it is no longer Science.

Creationists aren&#039;t interested in emprically testing their hypothesis, only in validating it. As such, they have abandoned empiricism. On the other hand, scientific testing has enabled Darwinism to evolve into the theory of Evolution.

So while I accept &quot;people should be given the choice to decide, which origin that they want to accept&quot; up to a point (truth is not relative, it merely appears that way from the limited human perspective sometimes)  I feel it is dangerous to pass something off as science when it is not. Creationism has no more scientific validation that the Flying Spaghetti Monster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara &#8211; My answer to your initial question is that in science, one creates a hypothesis &amp; comes up with experiments to proove/disproove it. In the case of Creationism, Science is being used  as a rhetorical tool to justify a point of view &#8211; and is thus being twisted so far out of context that it is no longer Science.</p>
<p>Creationists aren&#8217;t interested in emprically testing their hypothesis, only in validating it. As such, they have abandoned empiricism. On the other hand, scientific testing has enabled Darwinism to evolve into the theory of Evolution.</p>
<p>So while I accept &#8220;people should be given the choice to decide, which origin that they want to accept&#8221; up to a point (truth is not relative, it merely appears that way from the limited human perspective sometimes)  I feel it is dangerous to pass something off as science when it is not. Creationism has no more scientific validation that the Flying Spaghetti Monster.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-3986</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sue

Flapjack is right you are taken my word “theory” out of context. Darwin pioneered the discovery of how evolution works based on a theory of the &#039;Tree of Life&#039; this became the foundation for what technology has now developed and extended its branches of a more complex diagram of species. Darwin could never of done this in his day.

Ever since Darwin the tree has been the unifying principle for understanding the history of life on Earth. At its base is LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor of all living things, and out of LUCA grows a trunk, which splits again and again to create a vast, bifurcating tree. Each branch represents a single species; branching points are where one species becomes two. Most branches eventually come to a dead end as species go extinct, but some reach right to the top - these are living species. The tree is thus a record of how every species that ever lived is related to all others right back to the origin of life.

The discovery of the structure of DNA in 1953 opened up new vistas for evolutionary biology. Here, at last, was the very stuff of inheritance into which was surely written the history of life. In the 1970&#039;s unknown major branch of the tree of life, the unicellular archaea, which were previously thought to be bacteria became apparent.

By the mid-1980s there was great optimism that molecular techniques would finally reveal the universal tree of life in all its glory. Ironically, the opposite happened. The problems began in the early 1990s when it became possible to sequence actual bacterial and archaeal genes rather than just RNA. Everybody expected these DNA sequences to confirm the RNA tree, and sometimes they did but, crucially, sometimes they did not. RNA, for example, might suggest that species A was more closely related to species B than species C, but a tree made from DNA would suggest the reverse. 

Darwin assumed that descent was exclusively &quot;vertical&quot;, with organisms passing traits down to their offspring. But species also routinely swapped genetic material with other species, or hybrid&#039;s. 

Science is not fixed and with up to date technology, we learn and adapt to understand more about the world. But without Darwin’s initial theory, imagination and research to lead us...Well who knows. I simply like Darwin’s quote written from his notebook, above the tree of life diagram - “I think...!”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sue</p>
<p>Flapjack is right you are taken my word “theory” out of context. Darwin pioneered the discovery of how evolution works based on a theory of the &#8216;Tree of Life&#8217; this became the foundation for what technology has now developed and extended its branches of a more complex diagram of species. Darwin could never of done this in his day.</p>
<p>Ever since Darwin the tree has been the unifying principle for understanding the history of life on Earth. At its base is LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor of all living things, and out of LUCA grows a trunk, which splits again and again to create a vast, bifurcating tree. Each branch represents a single species; branching points are where one species becomes two. Most branches eventually come to a dead end as species go extinct, but some reach right to the top &#8211; these are living species. The tree is thus a record of how every species that ever lived is related to all others right back to the origin of life.</p>
<p>The discovery of the structure of DNA in 1953 opened up new vistas for evolutionary biology. Here, at last, was the very stuff of inheritance into which was surely written the history of life. In the 1970&#8242;s unknown major branch of the tree of life, the unicellular archaea, which were previously thought to be bacteria became apparent.</p>
<p>By the mid-1980s there was great optimism that molecular techniques would finally reveal the universal tree of life in all its glory. Ironically, the opposite happened. The problems began in the early 1990s when it became possible to sequence actual bacterial and archaeal genes rather than just RNA. Everybody expected these DNA sequences to confirm the RNA tree, and sometimes they did but, crucially, sometimes they did not. RNA, for example, might suggest that species A was more closely related to species B than species C, but a tree made from DNA would suggest the reverse. </p>
<p>Darwin assumed that descent was exclusively &#8220;vertical&#8221;, with organisms passing traits down to their offspring. But species also routinely swapped genetic material with other species, or hybrid&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Science is not fixed and with up to date technology, we learn and adapt to understand more about the world. But without Darwin’s initial theory, imagination and research to lead us&#8230;Well who knows. I simply like Darwin’s quote written from his notebook, above the tree of life diagram &#8211; “I think&#8230;!”</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Blais</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-3959</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Blais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AWESOME! thats great, a nice step forward.

lol at the comment about the difference between darwinism and creationism haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWESOME! thats great, a nice step forward.</p>
<p>lol at the comment about the difference between darwinism and creationism haha</p>
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		<title>By: Lux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ Nah, just trying without success to clarify that in the UK it&#039;s called a public school but elsewhere it&#039;s called a private school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ Nah, just trying without success to clarify that in the UK it&#8217;s called a public school but elsewhere it&#8217;s called a private school.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/01/creationism-defeated-in-texas/#comment-3957</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flapjack: Ha ha I&#039;m not surprised! You should have seen the scientists in the 60s trying to &#039;disprove&#039; (it wasn&#039;t the leading paradigm at the time) continental drift. One group suggested that massive land bridges rose out of the sea floor and allowed the migration of animals between continents (hence explaining the similarity in fossil records). And some when even further saying that animals migrated across the seas on \&#039;rafts\&#039; of land, you know, just floating about willy nilly until they reached another great land mass that happened to have the exact requirements need for their survival. You gotta LOVE science sometimes. 

Lux: A public private school? :P Seems like a contradiction in terms. One of those government supported scholarship only schools? But yes, we were taught on the same grounds and I completely agree. What I find irritating is that \&#039;creationists\&#039; cannot seem to understand that the Bible isn\&#039;t a scientific text and it doesn\&#039;t hold that sort of authority. You cannot (and I stress) gain any real information about the construction of the universe from it. Being a Catholic I find it rather exasperating when creationists tell me otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flapjack: Ha ha I&#8217;m not surprised! You should have seen the scientists in the 60s trying to &#8216;disprove&#8217; (it wasn&#8217;t the leading paradigm at the time) continental drift. One group suggested that massive land bridges rose out of the sea floor and allowed the migration of animals between continents (hence explaining the similarity in fossil records). And some when even further saying that animals migrated across the seas on \&#8217;rafts\&#8217; of land, you know, just floating about willy nilly until they reached another great land mass that happened to have the exact requirements need for their survival. You gotta LOVE science sometimes. </p>
<p>Lux: A public private school? <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Seems like a contradiction in terms. One of those government supported scholarship only schools? But yes, we were taught on the same grounds and I completely agree. What I find irritating is that \&#8217;creationists\&#8217; cannot seem to understand that the Bible isn\&#8217;t a scientific text and it doesn\&#8217;t hold that sort of authority. You cannot (and I stress) gain any real information about the construction of the universe from it. Being a Catholic I find it rather exasperating when creationists tell me otherwise.</p>
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