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	<title>Comments on: Why don’t Americans understand science better? Start with the scientists</title>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/dont-americans-understand-science-start-scientists/#comment-15935</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised scientists don&#039;t see the direct correlation between global warming and farting.  Perhaps &quot;human emissions&quot; should be specified and a new poll considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised scientists don&#8217;t see the direct correlation between global warming and farting.  Perhaps &#8220;human emissions&#8221; should be specified and a new poll considered.</p>
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		<title>By: whodat</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/dont-americans-understand-science-start-scientists/#comment-15929</link>
		<dc:creator>whodat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>argh, the problem seems to me to be:

quality of life is pegged to a standard of convenience
that is a perceived privilege
what is privilege?
disconnect from process, connect to access
but access to what?
access to access...  which is the gerbil&#039;s wheel

so i dunno
maybe that&#039;s folks aren&#039;t bothering to learn how the things they rely on day to day work

bring back process</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>argh, the problem seems to me to be:</p>
<p>quality of life is pegged to a standard of convenience<br />
that is a perceived privilege<br />
what is privilege?<br />
disconnect from process, connect to access<br />
but access to what?<br />
access to access&#8230;  which is the gerbil&#8217;s wheel</p>
<p>so i dunno<br />
maybe that&#8217;s folks aren&#8217;t bothering to learn how the things they rely on day to day work</p>
<p>bring back process</p>
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		<title>By: Single Serving Jack</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/dont-americans-understand-science-start-scientists/#comment-15928</link>
		<dc:creator>Single Serving Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mooney and Kirshenbaum&#039;s book  “Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future”  has stirred up a huge amount of debate among science bloggers, notably PZ Myers who is heavily criticised in the book:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/07/unscientific_america_how_scien.php
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/13/pz-myers-vs-unscientific-america-part-i/ 
(There are two further parts to their response, none of which are particularly convincing and have some awful arguments and misrepresentations)
Also: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/unscientific-unscientific-america-part-1/

There&#039;s a massive barney going on between so called &#039;new atheists&#039; and so called &#039;accomodationists&#039; about whether science and religion are &#039;compatible&#039;. I find myself in agreement with much of what Sean Carroll says about it:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/07/15/what-questions-can-science-answer/

Fascinating stuff if you&#039;re an aching bore about science &amp; religion like me ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mooney and Kirshenbaum&#8217;s book  “Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens Our Future”  has stirred up a huge amount of debate among science bloggers, notably PZ Myers who is heavily criticised in the book:</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/07/unscientific_america_how_scien.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/07/unscientific_america_how_scien.php</a><br />
<a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/13/pz-myers-vs-unscientific-america-part-i/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/07/13/pz-myers-vs-unscientific-america-part-i/</a><br />
(There are two further parts to their response, none of which are particularly convincing and have some awful arguments and misrepresentations)<br />
Also: <a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/unscientific-unscientific-america-part-1/" rel="nofollow">http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/unscientific-unscientific-america-part-1/</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a massive barney going on between so called &#8216;new atheists&#8217; and so called &#8216;accomodationists&#8217; about whether science and religion are &#8216;compatible&#8217;. I find myself in agreement with much of what Sean Carroll says about it:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/07/15/what-questions-can-science-answer/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2009/07/15/what-questions-can-science-answer/</a></p>
<p>Fascinating stuff if you&#8217;re an aching bore about science &amp; religion like me <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: roz</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/dont-americans-understand-science-start-scientists/#comment-15925</link>
		<dc:creator>roz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my friends think the best news sources are the BBC &amp; the christian science monitor.  (or the CSM used to be...i havent checked it out lately.  newspapers are in deep doodoo here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my friends think the best news sources are the BBC &amp; the christian science monitor.  (or the CSM used to be&#8230;i havent checked it out lately.  newspapers are in deep doodoo here.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/dont-americans-understand-science-start-scientists/#comment-15917</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  It&#039;s the reporting, not the scientists.  US reporting is pants.  I&#039;ve lived here for 11 years.  I don&#039;t read US newspapers.  I still read the New Scientist over Nature and I prefer the BBC to ABC any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  It&#8217;s the reporting, not the scientists.  US reporting is pants.  I&#8217;ve lived here for 11 years.  I don&#8217;t read US newspapers.  I still read the New Scientist over Nature and I prefer the BBC to ABC any day.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshogg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jameshogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some tabloids aren&#039;t even fucking newspapers - they are gossip magazines.

Meh, it&#039;s down to information I reckon.  The more information you have the better decisions you can make.  Sometimes it&#039;s a question of access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some tabloids aren&#8217;t even fucking newspapers &#8211; they are gossip magazines.</p>
<p>Meh, it&#8217;s down to information I reckon.  The more information you have the better decisions you can make.  Sometimes it&#8217;s a question of access.</p>
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		<title>By: roz</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/dont-americans-understand-science-start-scientists/#comment-15904</link>
		<dc:creator>roz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ditto on the media--i&#039;m getting really tired of seeing headlines about how they just cured cancer...in mice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ditto on the media&#8211;i&#8217;m getting really tired of seeing headlines about how they just cured cancer&#8230;in mice.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/dont-americans-understand-science-start-scientists/#comment-15890</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scientists aren&#039;t to blame, it&#039;s science reporting.

 The vast majority of people do not read science journals, they read the science pages in newspapers or watch the odd documentary on the telly. Yet, the science pages (and some documentaries) are full of very dumbed down information with ludicrously inflammatory headlines. If one small team of lab scientists finds a small increase in cancer amongst a rat population fed on vinegar, then the headline will be &quot;Vinegar Causes Cancer!&quot;. Later, when a larger sample finds the opposite after more extensive testing the headline will then be &quot;Vinegar May Halt Cancer!&quot;. Even in the same newspaper.

Then of course you have the downright dishonest &#039;journalists&#039; who write opinion pieces that misrepresent science completely, cherry-pick quotes and make it sound like they have a case when the scientists they quote may well disagree entirely with the opinion of the author. The average Joe and jill don&#039;t know this, there aren&#039;t any references and they will hardly look them up if there was. So they parrot the same information at work and in the pub as if it&#039;s some kind of universal truth because it was printed in a newspaper.

So, the general public don&#039;t know what to think. They have no idea about the process, the sample sizes or the validity of the claims and you&#039;ll hear them say &quot;Oh those scientists, they change their mind like the wind, so why can&#039;t I believe in ghosts and horoscopes and junk?&quot; It&#039;s a situation much like the days when football supporters were kept behind cages, or like council estates suffering from &#039;broken window syndrome&#039;. Treat people like animals an they behave like animals. Treat them like they are stupid, lo and behold....

The media could at least pretend that their audience is intelligent, then the audience might get used to being talked to like adults and try to raise it&#039;s game. Unfortunately, It&#039;s far easier to push out mindless, thoughtless crap everyday and keep the audience dumb and pliable. There&#039;s much more profit in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scientists aren&#8217;t to blame, it&#8217;s science reporting.</p>
<p> The vast majority of people do not read science journals, they read the science pages in newspapers or watch the odd documentary on the telly. Yet, the science pages (and some documentaries) are full of very dumbed down information with ludicrously inflammatory headlines. If one small team of lab scientists finds a small increase in cancer amongst a rat population fed on vinegar, then the headline will be &#8220;Vinegar Causes Cancer!&#8221;. Later, when a larger sample finds the opposite after more extensive testing the headline will then be &#8220;Vinegar May Halt Cancer!&#8221;. Even in the same newspaper.</p>
<p>Then of course you have the downright dishonest &#8216;journalists&#8217; who write opinion pieces that misrepresent science completely, cherry-pick quotes and make it sound like they have a case when the scientists they quote may well disagree entirely with the opinion of the author. The average Joe and jill don&#8217;t know this, there aren&#8217;t any references and they will hardly look them up if there was. So they parrot the same information at work and in the pub as if it&#8217;s some kind of universal truth because it was printed in a newspaper.</p>
<p>So, the general public don&#8217;t know what to think. They have no idea about the process, the sample sizes or the validity of the claims and you&#8217;ll hear them say &#8220;Oh those scientists, they change their mind like the wind, so why can&#8217;t I believe in ghosts and horoscopes and junk?&#8221; It&#8217;s a situation much like the days when football supporters were kept behind cages, or like council estates suffering from &#8216;broken window syndrome&#8217;. Treat people like animals an they behave like animals. Treat them like they are stupid, lo and behold&#8230;.</p>
<p>The media could at least pretend that their audience is intelligent, then the audience might get used to being talked to like adults and try to raise it&#8217;s game. Unfortunately, It&#8217;s far easier to push out mindless, thoughtless crap everyday and keep the audience dumb and pliable. There&#8217;s much more profit in that.</p>
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		<title>By: lauralou</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauralou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll always remember how they had to change the title of Harry Potter and the philosophers stone to sorcerers stone because American Children were deemed too stupid to understand the title.

As for stem cells, you think that they would know what they are, as their use was banned for so long over there and there was a big &quot;hoo har&quot; about them.

Doesn&#039;t bode well....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll always remember how they had to change the title of Harry Potter and the philosophers stone to sorcerers stone because American Children were deemed too stupid to understand the title.</p>
<p>As for stem cells, you think that they would know what they are, as their use was banned for so long over there and there was a big &#8220;hoo har&#8221; about them.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t bode well&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they dont find it usefull to know about it? And as insights from scientists keep changing .. at times they go to the exact opposite insight after years having published something (which caused part of the public back then to change their eating habbits or such as that was considered by science to be more healthy ....).

Do those scientists know anything from the work and life of all those americans? No, and they dont feel a need to know something about it either.

Is the media giving enough information on scientific research in such a way that it is readeable for non scientific people? Newspapers and such often dont spend much paper space on science (only a few items, or one page in the saturday or sunday issue). It&#039;s the same overhere, not just in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they dont find it usefull to know about it? And as insights from scientists keep changing .. at times they go to the exact opposite insight after years having published something (which caused part of the public back then to change their eating habbits or such as that was considered by science to be more healthy &#8230;.).</p>
<p>Do those scientists know anything from the work and life of all those americans? No, and they dont feel a need to know something about it either.</p>
<p>Is the media giving enough information on scientific research in such a way that it is readeable for non scientific people? Newspapers and such often dont spend much paper space on science (only a few items, or one page in the saturday or sunday issue). It&#8217;s the same overhere, not just in America.</p>
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