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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15158</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re choice.  There isn&#039;t always a choice with this treatment.  If Drs decide you&#039;re not well enough to understand, or that your mental health is rapidly declining and other drugs are proving ineffective, it can be prescribed anyway.

From the 2007 Amendments to the Mental Health Act 1983:

If a patient understands the treatment proposed and refuses it, then a course of ECT cannot be prescribed.
If a patient does not understand the treatment proposed, a second opinion must be called for and if
the second doctor agrees that ECT is necessary and appropriate, then this can be prescribed.
If, however, the patient made an Advanced Decision, when they were well, saying they never wished to
receive ECT and the hospital knows about this, then the treatment cannot be given. The only exception
would be in an emergency if it is:

1. immediately necessary to save a patient’s life
2. immediately necessary to prevent a serious deterioration of the patient’s condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re choice.  There isn&#8217;t always a choice with this treatment.  If Drs decide you&#8217;re not well enough to understand, or that your mental health is rapidly declining and other drugs are proving ineffective, it can be prescribed anyway.</p>
<p>From the 2007 Amendments to the Mental Health Act 1983:</p>
<p>If a patient understands the treatment proposed and refuses it, then a course of ECT cannot be prescribed.<br />
If a patient does not understand the treatment proposed, a second opinion must be called for and if<br />
the second doctor agrees that ECT is necessary and appropriate, then this can be prescribed.<br />
If, however, the patient made an Advanced Decision, when they were well, saying they never wished to<br />
receive ECT and the hospital knows about this, then the treatment cannot be given. The only exception<br />
would be in an emergency if it is:</p>
<p>1. immediately necessary to save a patient’s life<br />
2. immediately necessary to prevent a serious deterioration of the patient’s condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Xtro</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15125</link>
		<dc:creator>Xtro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sensible policy for a happier Britain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sensible policy for a happier Britain.</p>
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		<title>By: JoJo</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15075</link>
		<dc:creator>JoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never fully understood ECT, aside from frying brain cells how can an electric current help reduce mental illness???  I accidently electrocuted myself a few years ago and it was a very horrible (not to mention stupid on my part) experience.  Even when ECT is shown on television it freaks me out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never fully understood ECT, aside from frying brain cells how can an electric current help reduce mental illness???  I accidently electrocuted myself a few years ago and it was a very horrible (not to mention stupid on my part) experience.  Even when ECT is shown on television it freaks me out.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshogg</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15071</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacqueline: I agree.  It is bad enough that we tend to brand all bad feelings under the label &#039;depression&#039; as if it is some sort of illness to be cured.

Why try to cure negative feelings?  They are there to tell us what direction to go in, and learning new information or taking different paths will remove the need for negative feelings to go overboard (assuming there are no TRUE biological conditions).

It&#039;s always best to make peace with your negative emotions instead of declaring war and not listening to their messages.  They are there for a reason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacqueline: I agree.  It is bad enough that we tend to brand all bad feelings under the label &#8216;depression&#8217; as if it is some sort of illness to be cured.</p>
<p>Why try to cure negative feelings?  They are there to tell us what direction to go in, and learning new information or taking different paths will remove the need for negative feelings to go overboard (assuming there are no TRUE biological conditions).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always best to make peace with your negative emotions instead of declaring war and not listening to their messages.  They are there for a reason!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqueline</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15070</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This area of treatment for depression or Bi-Polar I do not agree with.  I refused to watch it being done to an elderly patient when I was a student studying mental heath, despite the so called benefits.  I read quite a lot about it, and am not convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This area of treatment for depression or Bi-Polar I do not agree with.  I refused to watch it being done to an elderly patient when I was a student studying mental heath, despite the so called benefits.  I read quite a lot about it, and am not convinced.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshogg</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15068</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshogg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ECT can work on a few occasions.  Then again, it is mighty hard to spot the placebo effect when it comes to Psychological treatments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ECT can work on a few occasions.  Then again, it is mighty hard to spot the placebo effect when it comes to Psychological treatments.</p>
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		<title>By: ReligiousMarie</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15064</link>
		<dc:creator>ReligiousMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply dangerous...i´ve never understood this treatment when i first read about it, people don´t even half know how the brain functions and to resort to this....it´s like hitting your not so well tv on the side, or on the top, in the hope the screen vision gets better....nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply dangerous&#8230;i´ve never understood this treatment when i first read about it, people don´t even half know how the brain functions and to resort to this&#8230;.it´s like hitting your not so well tv on the side, or on the top, in the hope the screen vision gets better&#8230;.nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms G</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15056</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope that those chinese people really suffered from something not normal. Too many see upon the internet still as if it is not healthy ... a bit a dumb vision, narrowed. As it was with TV,t hat  was going to make you blind. That&#039;s apart from the treatment which def. is so out of proportion in thiscase anyhow .. It&#039;s almost a joke.

I just read that it is still being used for severe depressed people, bipolar disorders etc., in combination with drugs. I myself am not sure whether I myself would ever choose for such a treatment. The brain is not the heart. It seems to be quite risky and does have side effects.

A while ago, might be via this blog, I saw an interview with a female who had undergone shocktreatment in a clinic somewhere in the old days. She def. did not seem normal, as if she had seen a ghost. This might work on a few .. boosting them out of their bases .. but will be a disaster for others. It probably feels as if having lost the main part of yourself.

Some people tend to believe, from their very dumb mind, in shock psychotherapeutic socializing .... I&#039;ve seen and heard a few around ... they are not aware that they do have no human or psychological insight of whatsoever ... Some parents are like that ... you can imagine how that will effect the childeren. The saddest thing as you quite often can not explain to the parents why what they see or do is not correct ...  Most cases remain unseen. Only the child(eren) know. The damage can not be undone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope that those chinese people really suffered from something not normal. Too many see upon the internet still as if it is not healthy &#8230; a bit a dumb vision, narrowed. As it was with TV,t hat  was going to make you blind. That&#8217;s apart from the treatment which def. is so out of proportion in thiscase anyhow .. It&#8217;s almost a joke.</p>
<p>I just read that it is still being used for severe depressed people, bipolar disorders etc., in combination with drugs. I myself am not sure whether I myself would ever choose for such a treatment. The brain is not the heart. It seems to be quite risky and does have side effects.</p>
<p>A while ago, might be via this blog, I saw an interview with a female who had undergone shocktreatment in a clinic somewhere in the old days. She def. did not seem normal, as if she had seen a ghost. This might work on a few .. boosting them out of their bases .. but will be a disaster for others. It probably feels as if having lost the main part of yourself.</p>
<p>Some people tend to believe, from their very dumb mind, in shock psychotherapeutic socializing &#8230;. I&#8217;ve seen and heard a few around &#8230; they are not aware that they do have no human or psychological insight of whatsoever &#8230; Some parents are like that &#8230; you can imagine how that will effect the childeren. The saddest thing as you quite often can not explain to the parents why what they see or do is not correct &#8230;  Most cases remain unseen. Only the child(eren) know. The damage can not be undone.</p>
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		<title>By: mturf</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15045</link>
		<dc:creator>mturf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah, classic interrogation. make a guy talk by hooking him up to a car battery. inspired ^-^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah, classic interrogation. make a guy talk by hooking him up to a car battery. inspired ^-^</p>
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		<title>By: Gennaro Romagnoli</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/07/fry-brain-electroshock-therapy/#comment-15026</link>
		<dc:creator>Gennaro Romagnoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A practice brutish and inhuman ... that just interrupted the relations between 
the commessure brain (such as the corpus callosum)...

Gennaro
Italy :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A practice brutish and inhuman &#8230; that just interrupted the relations between<br />
the commessure brain (such as the corpus callosum)&#8230;</p>
<p>Gennaro<br />
Italy <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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