Like many other belief systems that are born from any pseudo-scientific examination of paranormal concepts, the government’s analysis of the psychic phenomenon eventually resulted in a whole community of believers within the government’s scientific community.
In 1979, when the DIA took over funding and tasking of remote viewing research, interest within intelligence and scientific circles was spreading rapidly. While the majority of folks who were in charge of funding and tasking of this specific government experimental research were believers, there was also a contingent of scientists who were not quite as enthusiastic about the subject matter under analysis. As Kenneth Kress pointed out in his analysis, many government insiders felt that SRI’s procedures and experimental controls were quite unscientific.
By 1980, project “GRILL FLAME” was the collective code for all ongoing projects under the collective oversight of the DIA. SRI alone was estimated to run close to $1 million annually (Schnabel). (This is valued at $2.9 million in 2006)
Given that I am googling furiously to attempt to shed some light on the UV/KAYAK/ROTOR etc, I am slightly disturbed by urban dictionary’s definitions of ‘grill flame’.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grill+flame
I have learned something today, that I had no wish to know. An enquiring mind truly is a wonderful thing.
@Deb Lonnon – I’ve just eaten a fudge bar. Blech.
They all kinda… look the same… I see that most are all part of other cultish groups too…
Ugh, that’s gross!!
LC x
The Urbandictionary website is blocked at my work for being inappropriate, which makes me want to see it more!! Poo bums
Anybody care to describe it for me?
I daren’t. jaykay will regurgitate his fudge bar.
I’m sure you’ll get 20 responses, but here you go.
A “flame grill” also known as a “Flame Grillin” is the act of tackling some one to the floor, pulling down your pants, rubbing your anus cheeks against they’re face and finally letting out a juicy fart. May require more than one person to perform.
Ryan:”Hey Christian lets give tyler a flame grill!”
Christian:”Yeah baby flame grillin love!”
Tyler:NOOOOO!
Christian: FART!!!!!!
Tyler: Eeeew! All I can taste is anus!
Ryan:Flame Grill Baby!
@Deb Lonnon – JayKay’s a woman – and I ate a further fudge bar and a piece of choccie cake after that. No regurgitation so far, haha!
Wait a minute, Scientologists got involved with remote viewing?!
@JayKay
Let me know when your fudge bar has passed through, I want to know what ‘Grill Flame’ is…
Weird that all these scientific experiemtns have not properly been published, nor have techniques of remote viewing been described, at least I have not read anywhere how it is being done and how they trained those people. And without that in public .. it’s def. not science. Not that it will be true if it is published or out there .. but then it can be tested by many more people .. and reviewed by possible other scientists with expertise in the area that are not committed to them (hardly impossible nowadays .. is objective reviewing of articles still possible …? As they all are more and more dependent on eachother for many other reasons than that article.).
Oh that’s just lovely. I wish I hadn’t asked now
@Nopke “And without that in public .. it’s def. not science”
lol at you. lmao.
You can actually taste it, can’t you, haha!
Eww JayKay, double gross!
LC x
@Lady Claire – I know. I overstepped the mark. Bet you can still taste it though. You doing that lipsmacking, yukkee face thing? Thought so.
@jaykay humble apologies. i had mental image of man in large hat throwing jazz shapes and stuffing self with fudge bars. now it’s switched to JK Rowling doing the same.
I have actually witnessed a Flame Grillin’. When I was still in school, three boys tackled another boy down on to the floor, and Flamed his face in so hard his glasses were steamed up. We mature, sensitive girls just looked on in disgust……Alright, I was a little happy, because the boy who got Flamed had stuck a pencil up my nose the day before! He deserved it!
(This says a lot about me, I realise…I have completely ignored the rather interesting post, and just gone straight for the Fart Jokes.)
IRVA – International Remote Viewing Association has put out a press statement
http://www.irva.org/derren-brown.html
@Nopke
Go to http://www.remoteviewed.com for 1000s of pages of the original project STARGATE documents including sessions done by the members of the remote viewing unit. It’s all there buddy…get reading.
Techniques for remote viewing are freely available in a myriad of places. There are many teachers/trainers out there and the original military manual is available for download at http://www.crvmanual.com.
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‘Remote Viewing Cult’ is a bit harsh IMO, Phillis. Does the fact that these men worked for the US military on a specific project make them a ‘cult’? Does Lewis Hamilton race for the McClaren Cult? Alex Ferguson is head of the Man Utd Cult, is he? Get your car fixed by those cultists down your local garage, did you?
I’m one speed type away from a rather offensive typo so best stop there.
Mar
Msg from Abeo: It’s the title of the post from http://www.realityuncovered.net where the article is from.
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html
http://www.irva.org
@JayKay & Jess xxx – OMG, you both crack me up!! LOL
LC x
@deb lonnon – hahahahaha!
I’m sure though that research is still going on, that’s what any sane person would want. Till the opposite is proven (can that be proven .. as techniques keep being developped .. better .. ). Many other scientific research can be considered as crap as well .so much not been proven nor a sign that they will ever get where they want to get. Sofar .. it’s baby steps, in all area’s.
Anyhow . I want to see any remote viewing research to be published and open for the public. This crap websites dont shine any light on the whole research .. and why should someone else be the judge .. if there is really something there to see. Maybe it is just too dumb to show to the world. Why else this cover up? Military stuff? Give me a break … Only fools would think it could be used for that.
The title of your posting, “The U.S. Government’s Remote Viewing Cult” does a great disservice to some very intelligent people who are serious, credible, good scientists, good patriots, and are not in any sense a “cult”.
Msg from Abeo: It’s the title of the post from http://www.realityuncovered.net where the article is from.
uhm a cult is not to be confused with a sect. cults get some bad press, it’s the sects that are the crazies.
@Gary, ´Good patriots´ is a nice contradictio in terminis to begin with
Lack of research on this show, as Wayne Carr is not a major player in remote viewing, in fact even in RV world hes a fruit…..
As for blind people, then what is meant is as to the protocol of being double blind, not that blind people where remote viewing. Dave Struton, Matt Pothercary know better, as they spoke to people in the UK and USA in regard to remote viewing, and had the opertunity to speak with people from the original military unit.
Ms G, All of the FOIA documents released to date are available through http://www.stargate-interactive.com or by submitting a FOIA request anew. The gov’t will send you 14 CDs of data. The annotated, hyperlinked index that comes with them at the stargate-interactive site makes the data easier to peruse and access.
On second thought, I suggest the faq page http://stargate-interactive.com/faq.html