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	<title>Comments on: Catholic Church withdraws charity to thousands over gay marriage bill</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-50919</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The local archdiocese provides $10 million dollars a year towards the Washington DC charity services it provides. It wants exemption from having to assist in gay couple adoptions, renting church property for e.g. same sex wedding receptions as well as a provision that it would not be required to recognise same-sex &#039;marriages&#039; entered into by its workforce for purposes of employee benefits. Taking into account the Church&#039;s 2,000 year old and sincerely held position on this matter, it doesn&#039;t seem that they are making unreasonable demands. Can&#039;t the liberals be a little more tolerant themselves? The Orthodox, many protestant and Muslim charities would find themselves in the same situation. If the poor of Washington lose an input of $10 million, it won&#039;t be the liberal politicians that suffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The local archdiocese provides $10 million dollars a year towards the Washington DC charity services it provides. It wants exemption from having to assist in gay couple adoptions, renting church property for e.g. same sex wedding receptions as well as a provision that it would not be required to recognise same-sex &#8216;marriages&#8217; entered into by its workforce for purposes of employee benefits. Taking into account the Church&#8217;s 2,000 year old and sincerely held position on this matter, it doesn&#8217;t seem that they are making unreasonable demands. Can&#8217;t the liberals be a little more tolerant themselves? The Orthodox, many protestant and Muslim charities would find themselves in the same situation. If the poor of Washington lose an input of $10 million, it won&#8217;t be the liberal politicians that suffer.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-43673</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What ever happened to Imago Dei?  From the Christian point of view  as I understand it, we are all images of god and thus treating another human well is the best way to show one&#039;s love of god.  I am not a Christian.  In fact I am a non-believer.  However, I think that all christians would do well to look at some of the more compassionate parts of the Biblical Christ&#039;s (I specifically do not reference the Historical Christ as we know next to nothing about him) teachings pertaining to &#039;Whatsoever you do to the least among you, you have done to me.&quot;  Simple concept... Imago Dei.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ever happened to Imago Dei?  From the Christian point of view  as I understand it, we are all images of god and thus treating another human well is the best way to show one&#8217;s love of god.  I am not a Christian.  In fact I am a non-believer.  However, I think that all christians would do well to look at some of the more compassionate parts of the Biblical Christ&#8217;s (I specifically do not reference the Historical Christ as we know next to nothing about him) teachings pertaining to &#8216;Whatsoever you do to the least among you, you have done to me.&#8221;  Simple concept&#8230; Imago Dei.</p>
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		<title>By: bluecat</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-43656</link>
		<dc:creator>bluecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like blackmail to me. 

It&#039;s curious though - we could feed the hungry and shelter the homeless just like Jesus said we should, but we aint gonna bother if you pass laws we dislike - and especially if you expect us to follow the laws too.

The RCC is not alone in this by any means: the Bush administration removed aid from any third world charity that mentioned condoms... with predictable results for HIV+.

Reminds me of a bit of satire from The Onion News Network about Aid to Non-Gay Africans....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like blackmail to me. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s curious though &#8211; we could feed the hungry and shelter the homeless just like Jesus said we should, but we aint gonna bother if you pass laws we dislike &#8211; and especially if you expect us to follow the laws too.</p>
<p>The RCC is not alone in this by any means: the Bush administration removed aid from any third world charity that mentioned condoms&#8230; with predictable results for HIV+.</p>
<p>Reminds me of a bit of satire from The Onion News Network about Aid to Non-Gay Africans&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: StarliteShadow</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-42470</link>
		<dc:creator>StarliteShadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a Cola company were to only make Cola so long as certain rules are met - then if the rules are broken, no one would complain that the Cola company is being harsh if they withdraw the cola.

If the City were comfortable accepting the rules of the free service of the Catholic church prior to this situation - in full knowledge of the church&#039;s &quot;rules&quot; for providing this service - then, from an objective basis - it hardly seems fair to blame the church for the change in service.

Its a simple agreement - you get A so long as B is true. If this were an issue before - it should have been raised and challenged long before it even became an issue where people were affected.

Its a bit late now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a Cola company were to only make Cola so long as certain rules are met &#8211; then if the rules are broken, no one would complain that the Cola company is being harsh if they withdraw the cola.</p>
<p>If the City were comfortable accepting the rules of the free service of the Catholic church prior to this situation &#8211; in full knowledge of the church&#8217;s &#8220;rules&#8221; for providing this service &#8211; then, from an objective basis &#8211; it hardly seems fair to blame the church for the change in service.</p>
<p>Its a simple agreement &#8211; you get A so long as B is true. If this were an issue before &#8211; it should have been raised and challenged long before it even became an issue where people were affected.</p>
<p>Its a bit late now.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-42410</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad I&#039;m a Protestant not a Catholic, we&#039;re much more accepting :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I&#8217;m a Protestant not a Catholic, we&#8217;re much more accepting <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr Woolf</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-42396</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Woolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already stated before that I think that LOVE IS LOVE.
It surely can not be considered an unforgivable sin when it&#039;s love between two people of the same sex?
Especially not when you will (in your self-given right) freely grant rapists and killers passage into the kingdom of heaven, just for saying &#039;sorry&#039; about causing so much incurable pain and suffering to many innocent lives.

*Sigh*

What happened to religion being about FAITH?
Did that wholey MAIN point of fact get lost somewhere in the attempts to build up a massive system of controlling many of the religious followers, through fear and &#039;laws&#039; dictated by man?

Hmmm.

Pax, amor et concordia.
x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already stated before that I think that LOVE IS LOVE.<br />
It surely can not be considered an unforgivable sin when it&#8217;s love between two people of the same sex?<br />
Especially not when you will (in your self-given right) freely grant rapists and killers passage into the kingdom of heaven, just for saying &#8216;sorry&#8217; about causing so much incurable pain and suffering to many innocent lives.</p>
<p>*Sigh*</p>
<p>What happened to religion being about FAITH?<br />
Did that wholey MAIN point of fact get lost somewhere in the attempts to build up a massive system of controlling many of the religious followers, through fear and &#8216;laws&#8217; dictated by man?</p>
<p>Hmmm.</p>
<p>Pax, amor et concordia.<br />
x</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Woolf</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-42394</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Woolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm,
St. Paul... there&#039;s an interesting fellow.
I wonder what he (and the others) would have said about all this.
I&#039;m fairly sure he was more about &#039;Divine Law&#039;. As opposed to the somewhat over-zealous and over-baring general laws and rules built up, by man, around many seperating religions and beliefs. However, I could be wrong, I never knew him personally (and I don&#039;t really know everything/anything).
;)
(Continued... (Saves the spam filter eating my post) ...)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm,<br />
St. Paul&#8230; there&#8217;s an interesting fellow.<br />
I wonder what he (and the others) would have said about all this.<br />
I&#8217;m fairly sure he was more about &#8216;Divine Law&#8217;. As opposed to the somewhat over-zealous and over-baring general laws and rules built up, by man, around many seperating religions and beliefs. However, I could be wrong, I never knew him personally (and I don&#8217;t really know everything/anything).<br />
 <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(Continued&#8230; (Saves the spam filter eating my post) &#8230;)<br />
&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: teobesta</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-42320</link>
		<dc:creator>teobesta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just can&#039;t believe they&#039;re allowed to insist! think of the chance they have to make such a great impact for good if they chose to, given the blind following they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just can&#8217;t believe they&#8217;re allowed to insist! think of the chance they have to make such a great impact for good if they chose to, given the blind following they have.</p>
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		<title>By: JayKay</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-42238</link>
		<dc:creator>JayKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish they would all just go away. I cannot understand why thinking people can&#039;t see past this religion thing. Just don&#039;t get married in a church and then you won&#039;t have to deal with these biggoted, sex-starved, relationship-starved, out-of-touch numpties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish they would all just go away. I cannot understand why thinking people can&#8217;t see past this religion thing. Just don&#8217;t get married in a church and then you won&#8217;t have to deal with these biggoted, sex-starved, relationship-starved, out-of-touch numpties.</p>
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		<title>By: sosman</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/catholic-church-withdraws-charity-thousands-gay-marriage-bill/#comment-42110</link>
		<dc:creator>sosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish they would pack up and leave wherever their priests and brothers have abused children.</description>
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