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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-49238</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 05:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;When one person is delusional, its called insanity.
When many people are delusional its called religion.&#039;&#039;

Interesting that you say that, yet God can be proven by science, manuscript evidence, statistical probability and archeology. Get a darn good lawyer, a historian, a scientist, a philosopher and have them study all of the materials available and watch what happens. 

The chances of our universe being created by chance is a nearly infinite number and this can be proven by science alone so now something had to create the universe for purpose, interesting.


&#039;&#039;Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color&#039;&#039;

You have to have faith in order to believe there is no God, that is a religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;When one person is delusional, its called insanity.<br />
When many people are delusional its called religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting that you say that, yet God can be proven by science, manuscript evidence, statistical probability and archeology. Get a darn good lawyer, a historian, a scientist, a philosopher and have them study all of the materials available and watch what happens. </p>
<p>The chances of our universe being created by chance is a nearly infinite number and this can be proven by science alone so now something had to create the universe for purpose, interesting.</p>
<p>&#8221;Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color&#8221;</p>
<p>You have to have faith in order to believe there is no God, that is a religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hansen</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48889</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally some hope!!</description>
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		<title>By: Martijn</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48791</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. &lt;i&gt;--Don Hirschberg&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. <i>&#8211;Don Hirschberg</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jess xxx</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48789</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess xxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ greg

No, I get what roz is saying. Militant atheism can be like organised religion in the respect that militant atheists (not all atheists, mind you,) do try to &#039;convert&#039; people with faith to atheism because they believe their way of thinking is right or better (very much like some Christians believe their beliefs to be morally right, and try to convert atheists or people of other religions.) So the doctrine of the militant atheists is that religion is sin.

And I can&#039;t help but feel that there are similarities between organized religion and the more extreme form of atheism when I get the same sort of abuse from both a Christian and an atheist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ greg</p>
<p>No, I get what roz is saying. Militant atheism can be like organised religion in the respect that militant atheists (not all atheists, mind you,) do try to &#8216;convert&#8217; people with faith to atheism because they believe their way of thinking is right or better (very much like some Christians believe their beliefs to be morally right, and try to convert atheists or people of other religions.) So the doctrine of the militant atheists is that religion is sin.</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t help but feel that there are similarities between organized religion and the more extreme form of atheism when I get the same sort of abuse from both a Christian and an atheist.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48788</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The new militant atheism, for instance, is rapidly becoming a religion, complete with doctrine and dogma.”
thats a stupid point and wrong. now there are people who are more vocal of the dangers of religious thought (and these are nothing new) in the public eye, thats it.

also how can a lack of belief be anything but a lack of belief.

there are no dogmas or doctrines attached to atheism. thats the point.
you can have irreligious atheists, or you can have ones who dont care, or even some who think religion is good or at least useful 
but then you can have irreligious agnostics or irreligious people of belief (william blake believed but was  irreligious through his hatred of organised religion)

its not set up as parrellel to religious beliefs; its that there arent any.
you cant believe in atheism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The new militant atheism, for instance, is rapidly becoming a religion, complete with doctrine and dogma.”<br />
thats a stupid point and wrong. now there are people who are more vocal of the dangers of religious thought (and these are nothing new) in the public eye, thats it.</p>
<p>also how can a lack of belief be anything but a lack of belief.</p>
<p>there are no dogmas or doctrines attached to atheism. thats the point.<br />
you can have irreligious atheists, or you can have ones who dont care, or even some who think religion is good or at least useful<br />
but then you can have irreligious agnostics or irreligious people of belief (william blake believed but was  irreligious through his hatred of organised religion)</p>
<p>its not set up as parrellel to religious beliefs; its that there arent any.<br />
you cant believe in atheism</p>
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		<title>By: roz</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48646</link>
		<dc:creator>roz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The new militant atheism, for instance, is rapidly becoming a religion, complete with doctrine and dogma.&quot;

IMHO, from my pagan viewpoint, i always thought it was.  :)

oh my, is that gonna piss off derren or what!  :0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The new militant atheism, for instance, is rapidly becoming a religion, complete with doctrine and dogma.&#8221;</p>
<p>IMHO, from my pagan viewpoint, i always thought it was.  <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>oh my, is that gonna piss off derren or what!  :0</p>
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		<title>By: Siobhán</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siobhán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of six kids my parents didn&#039;t manage to get any good catholics... and a couple of total atheists, mind you I do have a feeling that they weren&#039;t really all that invested in religion themselves...

One thing I do have to question is the Santa comments above - obviously Santa is entirely real, (go on - prove he isn&#039;t... but remember, you won&#039;t get any presents...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of six kids my parents didn&#8217;t manage to get any good catholics&#8230; and a couple of total atheists, mind you I do have a feeling that they weren&#8217;t really all that invested in religion themselves&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing I do have to question is the Santa comments above &#8211; obviously Santa is entirely real, (go on &#8211; prove he isn&#8217;t&#8230; but remember, you won&#8217;t get any presents&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: AnarchoRationalist</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48594</link>
		<dc:creator>AnarchoRationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jung was right, religious/superstitious/magickal thinking is an evolutionary trait, a biological function which supported fitness. Religious thinking and the invention of morals, rituals, saints, and Gods is inherent and inescapable for functioning humans.

So, naturally the rates of religiosity aren&#039;t going down, they are simply becoming things that are not otherwise defined as religious. The new militant atheism, for instance, is rapidly becoming a religion, complete with doctrine and dogma.

Unless people recognize what&#039;s going on, we wont actually alleviate the problems of religious thinking, we&#039;ll simply pass them on to new systems of faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jung was right, religious/superstitious/magickal thinking is an evolutionary trait, a biological function which supported fitness. Religious thinking and the invention of morals, rituals, saints, and Gods is inherent and inescapable for functioning humans.</p>
<p>So, naturally the rates of religiosity aren&#8217;t going down, they are simply becoming things that are not otherwise defined as religious. The new militant atheism, for instance, is rapidly becoming a religion, complete with doctrine and dogma.</p>
<p>Unless people recognize what&#8217;s going on, we wont actually alleviate the problems of religious thinking, we&#8217;ll simply pass them on to new systems of faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess xxx</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48589</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess xxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jake 
@ Lillyringlet

My mum is an atheist who comes from a Catholic family, and my dad is a believer who comes from an Evangelical family....and I&#039;m a pagan. I think I&#039;m a pretty impressive blip. ;)

P.s. LOL, it&#039;s the Jesus statue from Dogma! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jake<br />
@ Lillyringlet</p>
<p>My mum is an atheist who comes from a Catholic family, and my dad is a believer who comes from an Evangelical family&#8230;.and I&#8217;m a pagan. I think I&#8217;m a pretty impressive blip. <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.s. LOL, it&#8217;s the Jesus statue from Dogma! <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: roz</title>
		<link>http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/believers/#comment-48562</link>
		<dc:creator>roz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people dont object to god so much, they&#039;re just sick &amp; tired of his fan club!  :D

luv the jesus picture, tho...hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people dont object to god so much, they&#8217;re just sick &amp; tired of his fan club!  <img src='http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>luv the jesus picture, tho&#8230;hehe.</p>
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