What a delight to the ear. As a journalist I have been guilty of cringing at the ‘New Order’ of the English language but we tend to forget that is a living, ever evolving language.
Ironically and before proceeding my words, I’d have to mention that I am very much a fan of anything that Stephen does really, that now more novells are written and published than ever before.
On average than ever before, if I remember the list correctly the UK spews out 206000 titles every year alone!
And here in Holland 35000 a year.
Sure it isn’t “pretentious” with so many people at it.
I see more kids (at least here) write poems and stories than when I was a kid. Surely their language is changed and it’s abbreviated up to the point were a simple mortal soul born in the 1970s can’t make head or “tales” from it, they are written and read by other peers.
I am happy that Oscar Wilde had poor syntax as well, gives me hope, too!
As someone who earns a living from written language every day, I couldn’t agree more. Language is for transferring an idea from one person’s head into another. As long as that is done clearly and concisely, then I will split as many infinitives as I deem necessary for emphasis. And start sentences with conjunctions.
Language is a living thing, as the Acadamie Francaise are discovering to their cost!
On one episode of QI Steve teased Alan. In regard to the latter’s apparent amazement, at another contestant’s seemingly extensive store of knowledge.
“I understand your inability to comprehend the connection, between reading books and the acquisition of information”, he quipped.
How I wish Alan had fixed him with a steely gaze and responded, ”Yes Stephen. But the Bible is a book, and you don’t believe what’s in that”.
Ya no wats rong wiv langwidge?
It’s a convention that is limiting and limited. It’s a conditioning process.
Mechanical interpretations.
We’ve been conditioned by it.
Limited by it.
Wonderful. Am glad to hear that Mr. Fry isn’t one of those pedantic people who moans about where the apostrophe ‘lives’. There’s much more important things in life. =]
I was reading a book today, and a comma was missing. Did I write to the publishers? Nah, I carried on reading because we all know how it’s meant to read (+ it was a good book as well).
Also Stephen stood up for swearing in language. Yes, using swear words in an offensive way isn’t ‘cool’ but for many, a casual swear is just how we speak. (I’m Scottish, + just have a look at some of Billy Connelly’s material. It helps the flow, if anything.)
Check this link out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM
“The sort of twee person who thinks that swearing is in any way a lack of education is fucking lunatic.” =]
I don’t agree with pedantry for pedantry’s sake, but too often I find that a lack of regard for the grammar rules slows my reading, while I piece together what they mean in the Queen’s. The end result is that while the clarity has, technically, not been diminished, the overall effect is that my reading momentum has been disrupted, and I find that slightly bothersome, and a little rude.
What we can’t overlook is that while Oscar Wilde may have been a grammatical slacker, he asked for his errors to be corrected before they reached their intended audience.
“On one episode of QI Steve teased Alan. In regard to the latter’s apparent amazement, at another contestant’s seemingly extensive store of knowledge.
“I understand your inability to comprehend the connection, between reading books and the acquisition of information”, he quipped.
How I wish Alan had fixed him with a steely gaze and responded, ”Yes Stephen. But the Bible is a book, and you don’t believe what’s in that”.”
what are you on about? whether or not he believes whats in the book [bible] is irrelevant, knowledge is still imparted through reading.
He will deny this with every molecule of his existence, but it is true.
STEPHEN FRY IS GOD!
of if you prefer
STEPHEN FRY IS ONE OF THE GODS!
I could, and have, sat and watched or listened to him for hours on end talk, joke, or recite on a number of topics and have come to the conclusion, that for me, he is GOD! Which is difficult as I live in the USA. And so, the internet is my friend and I love QI and anything else he appears in. I watch a lot of documentaries, so imagine my delight when I download an interesting topic only to find out that Stephen is the narrator, it doesn’t get much better than that!
Thank You Stephen for hours of aural pleasure!
(he he)
You see, there’s a real problem with this argument – that people take it, and are taking this very video, to mean that it doesn’t matter if you confuse there/their/they’re, where/were, wander/wonder accept/except, affect/effect. It changes the sentence, sometimes to mean something different (which is often unintentionally hilarious), or to render it completely incomprehensible.
Of course language is plastic, and ‘gay’, ‘random’ or ‘hysteria’ have changed their meanings completely, but the point of language is communication. Pretending that it doesn’t matter if people get things mixed up (and I’m not talking about the odd slip-up that we all make) impedes people’s opportunity to communicate and, in the end, does them a disservice.
What a delight to the ear. As a journalist I have been guilty of cringing at the ‘New Order’ of the English language but we tend to forget that is a living, ever evolving language.
Thank you Mr.Fry for the lesson.
Graeme Goodings
Ironically and before proceeding my words, I’d have to mention that I am very much a fan of anything that Stephen does really, that now more novells are written and published than ever before.
On average than ever before, if I remember the list correctly the UK spews out 206000 titles every year alone!
And here in Holland 35000 a year.
Sure it isn’t “pretentious” with so many people at it.
I see more kids (at least here) write poems and stories than when I was a kid. Surely their language is changed and it’s abbreviated up to the point were a simple mortal soul born in the 1970s can’t make head or “tales” from it, they are written and read by other peers.
I am happy that Oscar Wilde had poor syntax as well, gives me hope, too!
As someone who earns a living from written language every day, I couldn’t agree more. Language is for transferring an idea from one person’s head into another. As long as that is done clearly and concisely, then I will split as many infinitives as I deem necessary for emphasis. And start sentences with conjunctions.
Language is a living thing, as the Acadamie Francaise are discovering to their cost!
I can’t deny that I get annoyed when people don’t use the right version of their they’re there, or your and you’re.
Is it really pedantic to worry that after about 10 years of formal education (or more), people don’t know the difference?
I hope they do, and just can’t be bothered to use the correct one…
On one episode of QI Steve teased Alan. In regard to the latter’s apparent amazement, at another contestant’s seemingly extensive store of knowledge.
“I understand your inability to comprehend the connection, between reading books and the acquisition of information”, he quipped.
How I wish Alan had fixed him with a steely gaze and responded, ”Yes Stephen. But the Bible is a book, and you don’t believe what’s in that”.
yes, but what’s the difference between “his house burned up” & “his house burned down”?
Ya no wats rong wiv langwidge?
It’s a convention that is limiting and limited. It’s a conditioning process.
Mechanical interpretations.
We’ve been conditioned by it.
Limited by it.
Wonderful. Am glad to hear that Mr. Fry isn’t one of those pedantic people who moans about where the apostrophe ‘lives’. There’s much more important things in life. =]
I was reading a book today, and a comma was missing. Did I write to the publishers? Nah, I carried on reading because we all know how it’s meant to read (+ it was a good book as well).
Also Stephen stood up for swearing in language. Yes, using swear words in an offensive way isn’t ‘cool’ but for many, a casual swear is just how we speak. (I’m Scottish, + just have a look at some of Billy Connelly’s material. It helps the flow, if anything.)
Check this link out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM
“The sort of twee person who thinks that swearing is in any way a lack of education is fucking lunatic.” =]
I don’t agree with pedantry for pedantry’s sake, but too often I find that a lack of regard for the grammar rules slows my reading, while I piece together what they mean in the Queen’s. The end result is that while the clarity has, technically, not been diminished, the overall effect is that my reading momentum has been disrupted, and I find that slightly bothersome, and a little rude.
What we can’t overlook is that while Oscar Wilde may have been a grammatical slacker, he asked for his errors to be corrected before they reached their intended audience.
N’ot oll rightuning car merely pedantic.
“On one episode of QI Steve teased Alan. In regard to the latter’s apparent amazement, at another contestant’s seemingly extensive store of knowledge.
“I understand your inability to comprehend the connection, between reading books and the acquisition of information”, he quipped.
How I wish Alan had fixed him with a steely gaze and responded, ”Yes Stephen. But the Bible is a book, and you don’t believe what’s in that”.”
what are you on about? whether or not he believes whats in the book [bible] is irrelevant, knowledge is still imparted through reading.
He will deny this with every molecule of his existence, but it is true.
STEPHEN FRY IS GOD!
of if you prefer
STEPHEN FRY IS ONE OF THE GODS!
I could, and have, sat and watched or listened to him for hours on end talk, joke, or recite on a number of topics and have come to the conclusion, that for me, he is GOD! Which is difficult as I live in the USA. And so, the internet is my friend and I love QI and anything else he appears in. I watch a lot of documentaries, so imagine my delight when I download an interesting topic only to find out that Stephen is the narrator, it doesn’t get much better than that!
Thank You Stephen for hours of aural pleasure!
(he he)
You see, there’s a real problem with this argument – that people take it, and are taking this very video, to mean that it doesn’t matter if you confuse there/their/they’re, where/were, wander/wonder accept/except, affect/effect. It changes the sentence, sometimes to mean something different (which is often unintentionally hilarious), or to render it completely incomprehensible.
Of course language is plastic, and ‘gay’, ‘random’ or ‘hysteria’ have changed their meanings completely, but the point of language is communication. Pretending that it doesn’t matter if people get things mixed up (and I’m not talking about the odd slip-up that we all make) impedes people’s opportunity to communicate and, in the end, does them a disservice.