Comments on: Derren Discusses The Guilt Trip http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/ The official Derren Brown Blog Mon, 07 May 2012 09:24:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Michael http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-98245 Michael Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:59:47 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-98245 People are so naive.. there's so much money in this type of shows as there is in all the rest of the fake shows like Ghost Hunters etc. There is no such thing as hypnosis, any real sciencetist will tell you that. If you really could put people to sleep in 1 second as he does in the very first show just method would MIGHT just be learned by a criminal here and there instead of rubbing people with a knife on the street. Anyone here who's ever been participating in a hypnosis show knows that it is fake and just something you play along with not to spoil the show. People are so naive.. there’s so much money in this type of shows as there is in all the rest of the fake shows like Ghost Hunters etc.

There is no such thing as hypnosis, any real sciencetist will tell you that.
If you really could put people to sleep in 1 second as he does in the very first show just method would MIGHT just be learned by a criminal here and there instead of rubbing people with a knife on the street.

Anyone here who’s ever been participating in a hypnosis show knows that it is fake and just something you play along with not to spoil the show.

]]> By: Dave http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-97004 Dave Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:37:27 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-97004 Berber Anna: Yes, I expect with the potential risks of making someone unstable enough to turn themselves in for a murder they can't remember doing, there were a lot of safeguards in place, for legal reasons. But the program was conveniently sketchy about his whereabouts and who was monitoring him just after he left the building, just to ramp up the dramatic tension I expect. And it worked - I felt pretty worried about him at that point! Arjen: totally agree, "Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory and perception". Sums up what was done to him quite nicely really - and why not just I believe that a line was crossed. Berber Anna: Yes, I expect with the potential risks of making someone unstable enough to turn themselves in for a murder they can’t remember doing, there were a lot of safeguards in place, for legal reasons. But the program was conveniently sketchy about his whereabouts and who was monitoring him just after he left the building, just to ramp up the dramatic tension I expect. And it worked – I felt pretty worried about him at that point!

Arjen: totally agree, “Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory and perception”. Sums up what was done to him quite nicely really – and why not just I believe that a line was crossed.

]]> By: Arjen http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96916 Arjen Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:15:33 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96916 Derren, are you aware of the term 'gaslighting'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting It's a technique used by psychopaths and you are using it several times in this episode. I'm trying to raise awareness for psychopathy for years now because I believe it's at the core of the problems we face at the moment. I love your work but am a bit confused at this point. The activist part of me says you've crossed a line here. What are your thought? Thanks. Derren, are you aware of the term ‘gaslighting’?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

It’s a technique used by psychopaths and you are using it several times in this episode. I’m trying to raise awareness for psychopathy for years now because I believe it’s at the core of the problems we face at the moment. I love your work but am a bit confused at this point. The activist part of me says you’ve crossed a line here. What are your thought? Thanks.

]]> By: Berber Anna http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96830 Berber Anna Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:31:16 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96830 Dave: 'At least half a mile'? That's a ten minute walk. For me, that is (female, not very tall, nor in very good physical shape). The train station near my house is more than half a mile away according to Google Maps, and I can walk there in ten minutes. Who would he confess to along the way? You don't generally walk up to random people in the street to confess a murder, and had he confessed at the house, I'm sure they'd have had the fake police guys pick him up. If you think he'd have been suicidal, well, there's not a whole lot of ways to kill oneself along a country road with little to no traffic (I know I'm assuming here, but it looked like a quiet town) and no train tracks. Unless he had a knife with him, but why would you bring a knife to a seminar? I don't think he was in danger. Dave: ‘At least half a mile’? That’s a ten minute walk. For me, that is (female, not very tall, nor in very good physical shape). The train station near my house is more than half a mile away according to Google Maps, and I can walk there in ten minutes.

Who would he confess to along the way? You don’t generally walk up to random people in the street to confess a murder, and had he confessed at the house, I’m sure they’d have had the fake police guys pick him up.

If you think he’d have been suicidal, well, there’s not a whole lot of ways to kill oneself along a country road with little to no traffic (I know I’m assuming here, but it looked like a quiet town) and no train tracks. Unless he had a knife with him, but why would you bring a knife to a seminar? I don’t think he was in danger.

]]> By: Dave http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96802 Dave Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:22:43 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96802 The most unbelievable part I found was at the end, where he must have walked at least half a mile, alone, to the fake police station, where the cast were gathered. (How convenient he didn't confess until then!) I can't imagine what mental state he would have been in for that walk, though I can guess how I would have felt, so I do hope you had a backup plan in case he'd done something crazy! That's if he wasn't an actor too... In the main I love your shows though and agree with your rationalist outlook, I just hope you don't REALLY hurt someone any time soon! The most unbelievable part I found was at the end, where he must have walked at least half a mile, alone, to the fake police station, where the cast were gathered. (How convenient he didn’t confess until then!) I can’t imagine what mental state he would have been in for that walk, though I can guess how I would have felt, so I do hope you had a backup plan in case he’d done something crazy! That’s if he wasn’t an actor too…
In the main I love your shows though and agree with your rationalist outlook, I just hope you don’t REALLY hurt someone any time soon!

]]> By: Dave http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96801 Dave Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:14:22 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96801 Having watched this twice now, I must say that guilt only seemed to be part of it. Distrust of his own memory due to all that manipulation and waking up outside etc, seemed to me to be at least as important to achieve the end result. So you might as well have called it "The Guilt and Misinformation Trip" which would have been more accurate. I also was concerned that this all went much too far, so much so that I suspected that the entire show was a setup - having heard of the phrase "duty of care", I can't imagine that there's any way to predict someone's reaction to this level of stress, and even if seeming to lose contact with your victim was only done for dramatic effect, it was still pretty cruel. If you HAD lost contact with him, it would have bordered on criminal. contd... Having watched this twice now, I must say that guilt only seemed to be part of it. Distrust of his own memory due to all that manipulation and waking up outside etc, seemed to me to be at least as important to achieve the end result. So you might as well have called it “The Guilt and Misinformation Trip” which would have been more accurate.
I also was concerned that this all went much too far, so much so that I suspected that the entire show was a setup – having heard of the phrase “duty of care”, I can’t imagine that there’s any way to predict someone’s reaction to this level of stress, and even if seeming to lose contact with your victim was only done for dramatic effect, it was still pretty cruel. If you HAD lost contact with him, it would have bordered on criminal. contd…

]]> By: Berber Anna http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96490 Berber Anna Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:29:24 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96490 How could he be sure very step would work? Even if every variable had a 90 per cent chance of working it would only take one to go wrong for it all to start falling apart. Hell of an investment in a show if it all falls apart cos he spots his plates being swopped. -That's the one I can't answer 100% as a viewer, you'd have to ask the crew or Derren and Iain (who are probably busy people and can't answer every question). My guess is that there were safeguards in place for a lot of the stunts. The plate thing wasn't that hard, they kept an eye on his face and swapped quickly, he wouldn't have seen that. And try telling someone they stole your plate when everyone tells you that's not true -- most people cave under the social pressure and stop arguing. And I think failure must've been budgeted How could he be sure very step would work? Even if every variable had a 90 per cent chance of working it would only take one to go wrong for it all to start falling apart. Hell of an investment in a show if it all falls apart cos he spots his plates being swopped.
-That’s the one I can’t answer 100% as a viewer, you’d have to ask the crew or Derren and Iain (who are probably busy people and can’t answer every question). My guess is that there were safeguards in place for a lot of the stunts. The plate thing wasn’t that hard, they kept an eye on his face and swapped quickly, he wouldn’t have seen that. And try telling someone they stole your plate when everyone tells you that’s not true — most people cave under the social pressure and stop arguing. And I think failure must’ve been budgeted

]]> By: Berber Anna http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96488 Berber Anna Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:24:12 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96488 Mike: Can't answer all your questions, but I'll try a few. Why were all the cast waiting at the police station? -Because they didn't mention the police station in the village for nothing -- as soon as he ran off, they would have know that's where he was likely to be going. So they probably phoned ahead for the 'cop' actors to be ready and waiting and to stall him while they got the cast to the pub next door for the scenic ending. Why did he go to bed in his dressing gown? -He didn't. One of the actors walking in is holding something white and dressing gown-looking. I presume they put it on him because he slept in the nude, and C4 didn't want nude shots of the guy in the final product. Why doesn’t Derren respond to these sceptical blogs? -Because he doesn't read them, probably. (cont.) Mike: Can’t answer all your questions, but I’ll try a few.

Why were all the cast waiting at the police station?
-Because they didn’t mention the police station in the village for nothing — as soon as he ran off, they would have know that’s where he was likely to be going. So they probably phoned ahead for the ‘cop’ actors to be ready and waiting and to stall him while they got the cast to the pub next door for the scenic ending.

Why did he go to bed in his dressing gown?
-He didn’t. One of the actors walking in is holding something white and dressing gown-looking. I presume they put it on him because he slept in the nude, and C4 didn’t want nude shots of the guy in the final product.

Why doesn’t Derren respond to these sceptical blogs?
-Because he doesn’t read them, probably.

(cont.)

]]> By: Mike http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96455 Mike Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:10:55 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96455 Why were all the cast waiting at the police station, why did he go to bed in his dressing gown, why doesn't Derren respond to these sceptical blogs? How could he be sure very step would work? Even if every variable had a 90 per cent chance of working it would only take one to go wrong for it all to start falling apart. Hell of an investment in a show if it all falls apart cos he spots his plates being swopped. Why were all the cast waiting at the police station, why did he go to bed in his dressing gown, why doesn’t Derren respond to these sceptical blogs?
How could he be sure very step would work? Even if every variable had a 90 per cent chance of working it would only take one to go wrong for it all to start falling apart. Hell of an investment in a show if it all falls apart cos he spots his plates being swopped.

]]> By: Paul Budding http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2011/11/derren-discusses-guilt-trip/#comment-96368 Paul Budding Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:47:23 +0000 http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/?p=17326#comment-96368 The first 3 shows were absolutely awesome. 10 out of 10. I agree with the typical comment here that the Guilt Trip was the work of a genius who went close to crossing the ethical borderline. The first 3 shows were absolutely awesome. 10 out of 10. I agree with the typical comment here that the Guilt Trip was the work of a genius who went close to crossing the ethical borderline.

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