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Love it
Another explanation is that the subjects are tapping into the Universal Consciousness, and it is this that governs their unconscious movement.
ahh very interesting
Thanks, Derren for sharing is with us!
Joe Pendragon, Occam’s razor
Its much more likely that the people round the table have a pretty strong subconcious desire to make it spell words. Since we have that & ideo-motor movement why invoke something that can’t be shown to exist ?
I was unaware of the Faraday experiment (in this particular area), so thanks for showing is that, a beautiful simple well designed experiment
Is this how you do that trick Derren where you get a table to slide about with a group of people touching it. You put the idea in their head on susceptible impressionable people and then off they go…? I like how scientists explaining things are always very clear with factual backing and yet ‘mediums’ are always so vague, much like con men, liars or Nick Griffin
Wow, that cool !
I confess to always having been too ‘chicken’ to be part of a ouija board-type seance, they’ve always carried a certain stigma of being something you shouldn’t mess with.
But this just proves that a little bit of a ghostly back-history and some impressionable clients, and it’s amazing how easy it is to be fooled into thinking the spirits are guiding your hand around the ouija board, when actually they’re not.
This episode really explains how we unconsciously move something that we don’t believe we are doing so & I really enjoyed watching it. Great stuff, well done!!
LC x
I like the Penn & Teller BS episode where they blindfold the subjects, then turn the ouija board upside down without telling them. They still move the pointer to where Yes and No used to be!
Excellent series of videos. I’ve always been extremely interested in the old days of Spiritualism with spirit cabinets and what not. I especially like the experiment with the pieces of card on top of the glass. Very revealing. Thank you very much.
The ouija board is one of those annoying things where it could so easily just be someone moving the glass, but you can’t prove it……And now you can!
I’ve done a ouija board and between the two of us who were doing it, the glass did move. She claimed she wasn’t moving it and it certainly felt like I wasn’t moving it (but I was kinda wanting the glass to work and I did knew about Ideomotor aswell). So it’s quite easy to be convinced that the spirtits are moving the glass.
Ouija board, would you work for me? I’ve got to say hello to an old friend…
To Andy,
“Occam’s razor”, eh? Yeah, I saw that episode of The Simpsons too. :p
That Penn & Teller BS episode sounds very intriguing (mentioned later by Dave Williams), I wish I saw it.
What else was it going to be…dead people?
do people really still believe that the ouija board works?????.. come on people, logic is a wonderful thing…..
Loved this one.
Best Explination of this on the interent!!
Another possability is that the almighty pink elephant is directing the movement, but it is highly unlikely and entirely unprovable or disprovable.
Therefore the simplest explanation that it really is the participants moving the glass as their own subconscious minds direct through ideo-motor movement (which is a provable phenomona) is the most likely explanation.
Any other unprovable or disprovable explanations that you may cling to remain purely your own theory/faith until such a time they become provable or disprovable. They are however not scientific theories.
Great Derren. Exposing scams using hoax strategies:
This 4th episode would’ve been BEFORE Episode 2 ‘Ghost on film’ – same 4 girls right? — Ouija set up ghost hunter/s brain/s to EXPECT ghostiness; convincing us with GROUP-trigger, DB & Kat say “girls” saw Tracey, but only 1 girl did.
Averting their eyes, approx 3 “in” lookin girls ARE acting; girl group NOT invited to tour haunted place – approx 1 girl mayb just for fun. 3-Stooges-theory OK even if parts 2 & 4 made in sequence because THESE episodes are hoaxes in themselves too!
Like The Matrix, trickery isn’t just sci-tech, the coolness is in the BS story linking you in to it!
Great idea as per usual! Expose hoax by using other scams:
This 4th episode was made b4 episode 2 ‘Ghost on film’ – same x4 girls – right? Ouija set up ghost-hunter brain 2 xpect ghostiness; convincing us with GROUP-trigger, DB&Kat sed “girls” saw Tracey, but only x1 girl did.
Averting their eyes, approx x3 “in-on-it” lookin girls r actors; girl group NOT invited 2 tour hauntd house – xcept approx x1 girl mayb just4fun. 3-Stooges-theory good even if made in 2-4 sequence ‘cos these episodes are hoaxes in themselves!
Like The Matrix, trickery isn’t just sci-tech, the coolness is in the story linking us all in!
Hi everyone, I really love the series I know its for teens, I am nearly 35 and I thoroughly enjoy it. I have sent several messages to Kat but have as yet had no reply. Can someone tell me how I can get in contact thanks. I comment on youtube quite a lot and want to know if she gets my messages. Is there a business email as I sent a couple of messages now to various parties but got no reply as yet. Thanks eagerly awaiting. Sorry this is not anythng strange I just wanted to send an important personal message and don’t really like to use twitter or facebook because everyone will see the message. Flick.
@Felicity – All I can say in Kat’s defence that she has on Twitter thanked everyone collectively for their comments with re to this SOS episode a few times.
I confess that Kat has DM’d me in the past (over something totally OT!) and replied openly to me via Twitter, so for a response, that’s your best bet, I’m afraid. Kat also does have a page on Facebook.
Unfortunately I don’t see any other way of getting any message to her because I don’t believe anyone will submit her private email address to you (but I maybe wrong).
I don’t mean to sound harsh, but if you really want to get a message to Kat, use either Twitter or Facebook.
- or send it to me!
I can get it to Kat. Phillis
LC x
When I was watching this I heard a loud bang come from upstairs of my house. My immediate thought was – the spirits are angry with me for watching such blasphemy! Not really, but I was slightly freaked out. I ran upstairs to see what it was and there was a wild bush turkey on my front porch; it was just walking around there.
Bush Turkey 1 Me 0.
P.S. I am from Australia and we still have animals roaming free, not like the scorched earth of London.
Hi Lady Claire its lovely of you to respond and I appreciate it. I suppose Twitter and Facebook might be the best way but it feels a bit impersonal and the thought of anyone else reading my messages is terrible, really it is this that puts me off. I would much rather contact a bit more privately but I may have to bite the bullet and send a message via twitter. You are lucky to have got a reply, I have left many message and haven’t got any feedback yet. But Kat might not read the comments on youtube, but I hope she reads this. LOL What’s your secret? lol Oh well, I shall try once more. What is happening!!!! LOL
Flick
Why choose girls only for this experiment ?
@Felicity – No probs. But it seems you can send something to Phillis and she’ll forward it on to Kat for you. So no worries about everyone reading what you want to say now! lol
So please don’t go joining Twitter or Facebook on my say so, if you’re really not happy about it. At the time of my posting I thought that was the only way (what do I know, hey? lol)
LC x
Awww I always hoped using these were real
the only ‘ghostly’ thing that ever even came close to convincing me was the Ouija board – we did one back when I was in primary school and at that point I really found it hard to rationalise the glass moving because it didn’t eel like it was being pushed. I wish I’d known about this experiment then! I could have avoided the only blip on my otherwise unbelieving ways!!
hmmm…. back in asia they don’t use commercial ouija boards, but create a home made one with a piece of paper marked with letters + nu,bers, and a ball point pen that the users cup their fingers around – so not actually holding it as supporting the pen. the interesting thing is – and i have seen one of these being done – the pen actually made pressure as it moved as well, despite the fact that no one was really holding it to write. i checked the paper afterwards and can confirm this. while i am sure of the subconscious movements exerted by the users, i am not sure if you can explain the pressure exerted by the pen directly on the paper.
probs a ghost, rey
Hooray to a guy like “Fareday” who applied logic to disprove the board. Trying to explain to people that it’s there own action is like talking to a brick – now I might just be able to prove a point
I know how you mean, andre. On numerous forums, I have tried to at least explain to people not to be afraid of using this well known toy, because there’s a perfectly logical explanation for why what they’re experiencing is happening (and I’m sure the mass hysteria about them being dangerous doesn’t help) and yet even after posting links to this and the wikipedia article on the Ideomotor Effect, they still somehow beleive it’s opening a portal to another world? I mean, come on people!
I am yet to be convinced either way.And how are objects moving of there own accord to be explained without any physical human contact?
There is something of much greater potential here. The ideo-motor response is also what makes the “mystical” pendulum swing to answer yes or no questions. Since it is an unconscious response, it stands to reason that if questioner is holding the pendulum, then the answers may indicate their deep unconscious beliefs which may differ from our consciously held beliefs. Therefore it can be used as a tool for greater self-awareness and understanding.
Read about ideomovement etc. in your book Derren, I found it really interesting
I understand what is being said, but what then puzzles me is: how is there a consensus of movement created towards a specific point, if this is all happening subliminally?
@Paul. Generally there is a specific intention to asking the questions and so the group will subconsciously choose the answer they are as a majority expecting. At least thats my theory.
OH no way.. I can’t believe people can still be fooled into the ideomotor scam. I am a skeptic of the ouija and it was the Penn&Tellers experiment who got my curiousity sparking.. so of course I had to try it. I made my own ouija not easy to glide the darn thing on cardboard but.. after about 30-40 minutes of attempting to contact anything or something? whatever it is.. it worked. I can feel the force of the energy moving it.. not only sliding but it twisted the planchette a full 180* degrees without my hands MOVING! My hands came off the planchette and it continued to move a bit after. THERES NO WAY in hell that someone is NOW going to convince me that I’m moving it. When I start moving the planchette it’s a feeling you can just tell when finally something or someone is there controlling it there’s a forceable feeling on it..
continued.. the best way I can describe it is like a magnet. Once whatever is there My hands feel like metal to the planchette, the planchette being the magnet. When playing alone there’s no DOUBT what’s going on. SO anyway I went on to the blindfold experiment as my brother observed.. same thing happened as in the video. According to research and experts.. the energy matter/spirit whatever u wanna call it needs our eyes/vision just like it needs our hands to move planchette. I”m still a skeptic about unexplainable things but I certaintly do not have any doubts about who is moving the darn thing. I will never try it again.. i had my piece of proof.
Just wanted to share.
- I can tell when there is cake in a room even if it’s in a box and wrapped up. – Phillis
hey phillis- I hope you can also tell if the cake is safe to eat or not?
Just one more note.. Regardless of what it spells out or not.. THE planchette is moving.. and the best EXPERIMENT to date for anyone who really wants to know if it moves or not.. is TRY IT OUT YOURSELF!! with no one else so that you don’t have any doubts of anyone else moving it. IF you so don’t believe in the paranormal then you have nothing to be scared of right? so were my own thoughts which drove me to experiment. ONly those who try it on their own will know and feel what I just described. Make a simple board by youself at home.. don’t give up if u don’t feel anything in the beginning it takes time .
Many things, is Kat Akingbade BSc yet to become aware of
Great experiment- the ideomotor effect is really quite powerful – because it’s below the concious level it makes it look the the plachette is moving by the spirits. There are other great ideomotor experiments such as “muscle reading” (done several times by Derren) and I found I could influence someones choice of a card from 5 face down cards if they were holding my arm and I focussed on them choosing the card- this is where our ideomotor responses are actually communicating.
@kuryaki Dont touch the planchette at all and see if it moves. If it doesnt move, which it wont, then somehow the movement is connected to you. I wonder how?
The Faraday experiment proves that the force does not act on the glass. There is still the option that the ‘ghost’ acts on the fingers.
Peter