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DERREN DISCUSSES THE GAMESHOW

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Posted by Derren Brown News October 29, 2011 at 5:57 pm

If you head over to Channel 4′s website for the Experiments you will be able to see an exclusive interview in which Derren explains where the ideas behind the show came from.

Click the link below to view:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown/articles/derren-brown-on-channel-4

COMMENTS
October 29, 2011 at 6:01 pm

Worked with Derren on Miracles for Sale. The man is as amazing as the stunts he pulls off. I promise if you ever meet him you won’t be disappointed. Keep it up Derren we are captivated.


October 29, 2011 at 6:02 pm
George Birney says:

What a show. Just shows just how nasty things can get when u are part of a mob. Changed my way of thinking anyway. Keep up the good work Mr Brown.


October 29, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Paul Griffiths says:

I think this was a disappointing show, from the start where the person “had a choice”, there was no 50/50 choice at all……………………………….

for example, the third one where the person “chooses” a door to run through, the door he didn’t choose had the following barriers set in his path, the trolley, lines painted across the floor, psychologically the barriers were strong enough to make the choice stacked.

Derren as he took the audience through the choices used deliberate phraseology again to help determine the selection the audience would make.

Entertainment yes, but not up to Derren’s usual fantastic high standard.


October 29, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Derren, I watched the show last night and I loved it, The way you showed the audience their unkind actions was a really amazing lesson and insight to the world!
Love all your stuff!

pleae follow me on twitter or facebook :)

Flacob Bushell


October 29, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Becky says:

There should have been no information given to the audience about Kris before hand, then they would not have been influenced to choose the bad option each time, the guy admitted to cheating on his girlfriend!


October 29, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Nicola says:

Yet again Derren Brown has shown logical in a beautiful way :)
Really enjoyable episode, really showed the truth behind humans and our behaviour.
I did notice the facial reactions at the end, when Derren revealed the truth and how they felt such guilt and misunderstanding. I think we as humans need to accept more what we our capable of. When I went into my psychology degree I thought it took a specific person to commit the crimes we learn about, but you really learn to understand we are all capable of committing a horrid act, as much as we are capable of committing a good act.


October 29, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Joshua Hough says:

Was a great show and from studying psychology was obvious what was going to happen. Whether there was a confederate shouting to smash the tv or not there would have been plenty in the audience thinking it and probably would have said it a few seconds later. The ending was absolute amazing i was expecting it to end up with a possible a blank blood capsule shot at the participant to scare him and for it to be a “real bullet” to shock the audience that they could have the capability of killing someone though their choices. But Derrens ending was definitely more effective despite me knowing that the ending was completely staged instantly it still gives me goosebumps, best of all the camera catching people taking their masks off and instantly being individuals again wondering how he was CLASSIC


October 29, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Annette M says:

This interview is very informative and I think it gives an insight into the psychology of what actually occurred during The Gameshow. It’s a pity that the length of the show would not allow this to be included as a part of it, as I think that would have offered people a deeper understanding of what went on.


October 29, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Paul Johnson says:

Surely the reason the audience was given the information before hand was so they could justify punishing him. Liked the way that Derren would give %ages when the votes were decisive, but at times seemed to withhold the figures I assume when they were much closer.


October 29, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Magz Hughes says:

Brilliant show. Very unsettling to watch fellow human beings acting in that way though. Definitely food for thought and explained a lot about anonymous mob behaviour.


October 29, 2011 at 6:24 pm

Phil, that’s the point. He influences the choices by putting the simple objects in the way. The choice is still there though. He could have easily ran past them.


October 29, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Adam says:

For most of the show, I was quite critical – everyone in that audience knew he wasn’t really going to get a criminal record / made redundant etc.

More than that, everyone would have assumed that he’d have been compensated for his troubles – prize money for being a good sport, etc. His broken TV would most certainly have been replaced…

I was getting already to conclude that this didn’t really prove much… until the twist at the end. Once that happened, you realise that even though you thought he would be compensated – you were still being irresponsible and reckless with his life – and a proper grown-up would have known that and recognised the danger.

Good message at the end Derren.


October 29, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Caroline Elkington says:

Hi Derren not sure what blogs tweets etc you actually get to read I have likely banged on a tad too much but important 2 the purpose of the show (im not sure everyone got the underlying message tho), I was badly bullied when young so from a victims point of view, I have always wondered at mankinds apparent love of mocking, humiliating, making people cry – what sort of psyche do these people have, WHY & what do they get from it? How can it be pleasurable to inflict unpleasantness on someone else? I de like to hear from some of the audience their “reasons” in carrying on the plot – If this show has made just one person take a look at how they treat other people, then its succeeded. Darkly Worryingly Brilliant. Caroline From Plymouth- (I leapt out on U waving program 4U2 sign at Shaftesbury!)


October 29, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Pam Gaffney says:

Disappointed in the show. Felt that, even without the masks, of course the audience wanted him to suffer more. For the same reason we laugh when people fall down and we all love watching you’ve been framed. Think you have far more to offer than this Derren. Show us more of your real talents


October 29, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Matt Fowkes says:

@Becky and Paul Griffiths:

That was sort of the point though. They set Kris up to look like he needed a bit of a fall by showing that he was a little bit cocky and airing the part where he admitted cheating on his girlfriend, started it off with the girl getting her bum pinched which wasn’t so bad and was a bit of a laugh but then showed how gradual escalation and phrasology/charisma can convince an audience of anonymous people to do awful things.
Derren Brown played a dictator and the audience were his army.

And Paul, with the third choice having the obstacles there, surely you’d agree that Derren put them in place purely to unconciously influence the mans third choice?

Great show though.


October 29, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Mark Varela says:

This episode, more than almost any other I can remember from Derren, really disturbed me. The opening exchange with ‘the boyfriend’ as he got right in the face of ‘the target’ was certainly not light-hearted, or amusing, but quite frightening in the manner of the delivery and the offer to step outside. Even ‘the girlfriend’s’ reaction prior was pretty full-on. Yet the audience laughed and cheered along, selecting ever more upsetting outcomes.

I could not relate to their joy in the demise of the person. I think that was the point.

I certainly have laughed and pointed at my T.V. many times. Reality T.V. is just an excuse to play armchair God for the night and to feel better about ourselves as we ridicule the fall of others.


October 29, 2011 at 6:45 pm
RussellF says:

A bit dissapointed by ‘the game show’, all seemed a bit pedestrian by Derrens standards, still better than everything else on at that time!


October 29, 2011 at 6:56 pm
luke hoather says:

was a execellent experiment, suggestion and crowd immunity was explored in a interesting ways. superb ending very fitting. keep up the amazing work derren


October 29, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Amy says:

I loved the show.. i was so on the edge of my seat at the end.. Derren you are amazing, never fail to surprise me.. fair play was a great piece of work.. You are like my hero :D


October 29, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Andy Sheahan says:

I thought it was great when you reviled what was going on at the end and they were all stunned beyond belief, I thought this was a great idea and I loved every second of it.


October 29, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Alan Hastings says:

sorry, I thought that show was poor. Seemed obvious from here on the couch(not the car, although I’d just finished saying I hope Derren makes the audience feel ashamed of themselves in some way)I’d have been disappointed if I’d been in the audience and had to endure the majority decision. I wonder how that experiment would work in a different country? I love Derren Brown show’s but sorry can’t say that was one of his best.


October 29, 2011 at 7:23 pm
roz says:

wow, that dood in the middle of the picture has an amazingly lifelike derren mask! :D

hey, guess what? when people are allowed to act anonymously, they become nastier & nastier even when they’re NOT in a crowd. not everybody does, of course…but it happens a lot. so the crowd may not be much of a factor,


October 29, 2011 at 7:35 pm

I think it was interesting to show the ‘Youve been framed’ generation in all our gory glory. It was obvious from the start that it would go that way. We are all, after all, bitter animals who point outward in an attempt to draw attention to the outsider, that isn’t them. Too many continuity errors for me to have taken the perils of the ‘victim’ seriously though. The police would not allow him to take his bag into the van, he wouldn’t be able to take a call and he didn’t have the bag when he was ‘dropped off’. These were detractors that blew the end illusion for me but the point was made. I did enjoy your use of language and direction therein as well. I look forward to next week.


October 29, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Brian says:

I enjoyed the show although I know if I was in the crowd I would have gone for all the negative stuff without any coercion. Of course there would be a natural cut off point when real potential for harm would have me moving to the positive outcome. The fact that it was televised made the negative choice seem ‘safe’.

As a kid I remember running with gangs although I didn’t necessarily have any intentions of harming anyone. When there was a confrontation between us and other groups the change in some of my friends was completely out of character. One guy who I’d never seen aggressive in anyway before picked up a lump of wood and charged with the crowd. I never got involved with the violence as my pacifist nature made me wonder why people will harm others based on an the flimsiest of differen


October 29, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Theresa says:

I have loved Derren since Mind Control in 2000 and in my opinion, since Andrew O’Connor has left Objective Productions, the shows have declined and changed. I loved Derren’s mischief with us and I really hate saying this.
I am a lover of the misdirection and psychology Derren used to do, but the latest “The Gameshow” was an hour of disappointment. Looking at psychology and the empircal research that has already been discussed about crowd control and human behavour, you can read this and of course watch this in the media, and the Gameshow was nothing new. Bring back The Heist, Zombie and his best work.

ps but wil never stop watching!


October 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Hallmork says:

I didn’t enjoy the Game Show. I found it cringeworthy and embarrassing. It didn’t sit easy with me. Had it been any other tv show I would have switched of in the first 15 mins. But I stuck to the end. My opinion didn’t change.

Derren as much as I would have loved to be a part of your shows. I’m so glad I wasn’t a part of that one.
Was the buttons even workin?. Did the audience even have the choice?
Looking forward to the next show hoping that Derren returns as the master of misdirection.


October 29, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Catherine says:

I thought it was interesting to see how quickly some people took their masks off and clearly felt concerned for Kris…also noticed some kept their masks on to the very end – were they ashamed to show their faces on tv or did they not feel the need to re-individualise themselves like most of the crowd?
I agree with the above comment about the parallel with bullying – whether the audience were led or not, the fact that some of them were happy for a stranger to be kidnapped by a gang of thugs (even knowing it was a prank – it’s still a horrible thing to happen) was pretty extreme. I wonder how many voted against it though?
I half expected it to turn out Kris’s interview had been edited and really he was totally undeserving of the punishments – the faked accident had a better impact though.


October 29, 2011 at 8:03 pm
JC says:

I couldn’t help but wonder if the same result would’ve been achieved if the subject was a pregnant woman; would all of the choices have been positive or would it not have affected the outcome at all?

I think the audience were biased from the start when he openly admitted to being a generally bloke. When he admitted to cheating on his other half, the majority of the audience were automatically against him albeit for different reasons.

I think this is an interesting area the may require further exploration even if it couldn’t be done by Derren.


October 29, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Jamie C says:

We need to remember the audience were influenced by Darren Brown himself, agree with Paul Griffiths comments (29/10/2011, 603pm). If the audience were not given any information about Kris, I am sure the voting would have been different. Also evidence has shown that people tend to go for the second option (B) more than the first option (A), which obviously Derren and the producers are aware of. However, the topic of the show is worth further discussion. No debriefing took place for the audience last night, which is a great shame. My guess is many audience memebers will still be unnerved and unsettled about the “show” and have many unaswered questions. What would have been valuable would be 4 Darren to go through how many reality shows manipulate viewpoint, embedded commands etc.


October 29, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Eilidh says:

Is it just me who’s noticed or will the next subject also be called Chris? Or any other spelling of the name…


October 29, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Ian says:

I don’t think there was anything really cruel in the show. The real test would have been if the audience had been presented with an option that they belive could possibly go badly wrong, then I think we’d see what levels of cruelty they could go to. Everything on the show was just a prank and I think there was nothing there that they couldn’t have seen on Candid Camera or Game For A Laugh (showing my age).


October 29, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Bev says:

Very Clever.


October 29, 2011 at 9:27 pm

The awkward moment when Derren Brown doesn’t have a television even though he is the greatest entertainer ever shown on television…


October 29, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Lee says:

I wrote the video well not wrote spoke the video above for you to listen to I hope that you are able to. Here it is again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayw2kDT4G0o


October 29, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Jay says:

very tame and very obvious human nature !


October 29, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Steve Jones says:

I was uncomfortable from about the 2nd choice when the “boyfriend” got nasty with the victim. I know 100% that I would have chosen positives from then on, hidden in the crowd or not I do not like this kind bullying. Good show and I hope people were affected by it in a way that changes their attitudes to their fellow man. Like the people who stood up and spoke against the recent rioters at the time


October 29, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Steve says:

Shocking! I actually found it little uncomfortable to watch for some reason, but loved the ending. Derren, you played the part of irritatingly enthusiastic cliché gameshow host very well;) Look forward to the next episode.


October 29, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Trish says:

I’ve read a lot of comments saying oh well it wasn’t that bad, there was no real peril, I could spot continuity errors! For heavens sake. This chap was put through increasingly horrible situations, and of course there was some direction at the beginning when we were told he’d cheated on his girlfriend, that was the little push to start it all off. And to all the people who say of course I’d have chosen differently, the whole point is of course you say that, but in that crowd we would all become different to what we hope we are in reality. That’s kind of the point.


October 29, 2011 at 10:53 pm
SteviePUA says:

Good show, Derren. Very insightful – updating Stanford Prison and Milgram.

A question. How did the stuntman at the end manage to get a shirt exactly like Chris’s?

It started with Chris having a drink in a bar. How did you get a perfect match for his shirt if the car crash sequence was filmed earlier in the afternoon?

Rats smell.

SteviePUA


October 29, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Simon Braybrook says:

Put us out of our misery: was kris, his friends or his colleague actors. If so, the concept is undermined as the picture portrayed to the audience was pantomime to the extreme. I find it hard to believe not, who would confess to infidelity in front of a camera in that way?

I am afraid I thought it was a very poor show. It was as if Derren wanted to duplicate the cruelty displayed in Zimbardos prison experiment, but Channel 4 beat him to it.

I really hope this series improves.


October 29, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Stuart Hawkins says:

At the end, someone got on their moral high horse and shouted out “Why are you still filming”. I’d be interested to know how they voted throughout the evening……

I found I disagreed with some of what Derren said about the anonymity. I believe that in a lot of situations (not all the time!!) that if you can remain anonymous you will stick to what you want to do, but if people can see your face then you are more likely to do what you think the group is expecting of you, even if it does go against your morals, for fear of being singled out and spoiling everyone elses fun.


October 29, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Laura says:

I do not understand how this can be classed an ‘experiment’ when it completely lacked validity. Derren wasn’t testing how ‘people in groups can become de-individualised and make ‘evil’ decisions’… He was testing what people find entertaining to watch. As far as the participants (the audience) were concerned, none of their ‘decisions’ impacted upon his real life as they would in say a riot, for example. I am thoroughly disappointed by this programme as usually I love his stuff. I hate to say such a thing about him but personally, I thought it was pathetic.


October 30, 2011 at 12:11 am
Jessika says:

You have to think carefully about this show. Yes, on the one hand you can say, “Oh, but the audience weren’t voting for him to REALLY lose his job or REALLY get arrested, they were just doing it for fun,” but the kidnapping scenario and the smashing of the TV really showed something. 1. They were perfectly happy for a totally unsuspecting guy to be terrified out of his mind by being snatched off the street (after all, HE didn’t know that he wasn’t in any real danger,) and 2. They wanted his TV to genuinely get smashed. That part wasn’t fake or ‘just a joke.’ And the guy apparently getting run over at the end suddenly rammed it home to the audience that what they had been doing wasn’t funny….It was just mean and reckless. Who hasn’t felt like this at some point when a joke has gone sour?


October 30, 2011 at 12:25 am
Sean says:

he said on the show that his girlfriend made him wear that shirt, so they knew ahead of time

pay attention


October 30, 2011 at 12:39 am
Lauren says:

*In reply to SteviePUA* Derren and his team got Chris’s girlfriend to get Chris to wear a checkered shirt, (Derren knew what shirt the stuntman was wearing as they were all working together) (this was said during the show) :D

Loved the show-AGAIN! You never fail to please :)


October 30, 2011 at 12:59 am
Dave says:

StevePUA: Derren clearly explained the shirt thing during the explanation of the whole stunt .. They’d given the shirt to Chris’ GF and she’d asked him to wear it


October 30, 2011 at 1:08 am
RuthyJenks says:

I didn’t like it. It made uncomfortable watching and I thought the whole thing fell flat at the end. I was hoping for some sort of discussion with the auduence after to get their take on things and how they felt. I have really enjoyed other stuff you have done and appreciate this was from a different angle but I didn’t like it. Sorry


October 30, 2011 at 1:16 am
Thistooshallpass says:

It’s quite astonishing that we all watched the same show but our perceptions of what we actually witnessed are so varied. Derren has a knack of producing thought provoking programmes…that is his strength.
All the questions people are asking i.e. The voting could have been fixed, Chris was in on it, Derren and the producers were ‘leading’ the audience to choose only negative options etc are clearly not stopping people phoning up and voting in all these reality TV shows. Maybe after watching The Gameshow some people will have second thoughts and not be drawn into the very ‘lucrative con’ that is reality TV. On the other hand….’carry on up the Jungle’ is due to start any day now and the whole media frenzy of “lets bully and humiliate another human being for our own enjoyment” will start all over again.


October 30, 2011 at 1:46 am
John says:

SteviePUA – the shirt was explained in the show – they had two shirts, one for the stunt man and one given to the girlfriend which (I think) she was to pretend she’d bought. She was to insist that Kris wear it that evening.


October 30, 2011 at 1:22 am
mr.jack says:

Derren has taken the obvious and used it for entertainment, his experiment failed. By supplying information to subjects, instead of the subjects finding the information themselves, the information is open to suggestabilty. Like chinese whispers. Just because you can create less resistance to make a negative choice why would you?. If theres one thing Derren has shown, it is that our destructive nature as a species is something we must outgrow. These shows don’t help. Why not create less resistance to make a positive choice?.


October 30, 2011 at 1:50 am
jade ball says:

Darren you are amazing.
It’s interesting because I know that the laws of physics don’t always apply.
You have to understand that wat is there is only.there if you believe it’s there.


October 30, 2011 at 4:46 am
rob bartlett says:

At first I thought there were no real consequences to the constant choosing by the audience of the more evil/ more entertaining option, but it’s just hit me that it was decided he would get abducted. It’s unlikely audience members would have decided that had they been on their own and personally accountable. Anonymity allowed for the choosing of the more entertaining, but incredibly evil, option. An option which had the potential to psychologically damage someone
I was ready to admonish you- i.e. this particular small piece of cyberspace- over the lack of real consequence to decisions (Chris could never have actually really been hurt), which would have made the experiment worthless. But actually you’ve just set out what you wanted to prove again, emphatically. You are a god.


October 30, 2011 at 8:14 am
Hazel says:

Seriously disturbing, but brilliant!


October 30, 2011 at 9:08 am
Sirius Mcpudd says:

Re SteviePUA, Derren said at de end dat Chris’ Mrs ad given him a shirt and made sure he wore it out….
Anyway, I think it was a good, insightful show of how people will react when they are anon or part of a large group. Similar-ish 2 the “Teacher & Learner” test thingie, where a person believed another was electrocuted slightly 4 gettin a question wrong, but after a wrong answer, up went the voltage!
All because there was a man in a white coat telling them 2 do it, most (I think! )


October 30, 2011 at 9:17 am
Sirius Mcpudd says:

Pressed wrong button! Sorry….
Most of them went 2 really high voltages, even while they cud hear sounds of pain n begging from the next room, some even gave a lethal shock…. Obviously, fella weren’t really hooked up 2 mains, but jus because a fella in a white coat was telling them 2 do it, gave them a way 2 push de guilt off by sayin “I was jus doin what he said/ordered!”
Same with game show, part of an anon crowd will start with little things bcos they wud av seen it as a joke, even because it was on tv, sum mite av thought, well nothing can really go wrong
Sorry 4 de double post!

Derren is the Geezer!


October 30, 2011 at 9:43 am
Sam says:

I always hate and love Derren in equal measures. I don’t like being lied to although I know that’s what magicians do. I didnt believe chris wasn’t an actor. I didn’t believe the audience votes were counted. I think the shouts for smashing the tv etc were from production crew, as we’re the first few people to remove the masks. The laugjing when bad things happened was hard to believe. I cant see how people thought it was funny. However the audience reaction at the end was fantastic. And real. And did prove Milgram etc for some of them.


October 30, 2011 at 10:16 am
Andy T says:

Very good show! Very disturbing insight, yes there might have been continuity errors but I’m not sure that detracted from it hugely. The whole point of an individual hiding in the crowd ethos and feeling they can make increasingly negative choices on another’s life was an interesting look into what thought patterns probably under pinned the recent riots and such.

@ StevePUA : Derren explained about the shirt in that they bought them and got Chris’ girlfriend to give him the one he was wearing.


October 30, 2011 at 10:18 am
Steve James says:

This was told to us on the film. They bought two identical shirts before the show and his girlfriend got him to wear one before he went out.


October 30, 2011 at 10:22 am
Berber Anna says:

I wonder if the woman laughing in the background (in the clip linked in the post) thinks it’s ridiculous that being kind raised your level of happiness, or if that was just a coincidence ;)


October 30, 2011 at 10:55 am
JayKay says:

Are those in the audience allowed to comment on this thread?


October 30, 2011 at 11:02 am
CJ says:

@ SteviePUA Derren said that they’d given his girlfriend an identical shirt and she made sure he wore it that night.

I was quite critical of the show up to the point of smashing the TV and the choice between £10,000 and the kidnapping. Before then there were no lasting negative implications of the decisions – he wasn’t really being arrested or loosing his job. But to support a decision to smash his TV or decide not to give him the prize money was cruel and I think made the intended point.


October 30, 2011 at 11:07 am
Steve James says:

I thought that this was not up to Derren’s normal brilliant standard. As well as demonstrating a phenomena that is really quite obvious ( I think), the major part of the show was just like watching a crap game show. Normally Derren’s programs have surprising revelations all the way through, this one had none. Nobody can really have been surprised at the answers given.

All other works have been great – looking forward to the next two shows. :-)


October 30, 2011 at 11:30 am
Gavin says:

Brilliant show and I hope it wakes up a few people who are so quick to arm chair moralise that they would never act in the way that the crowd did. The point of the show was to show that with a little loss of identity and a little bit of a push from a charismatic leader (as Derren did an amazing job of doing) we are all capable of becoming vicious and vindictive towards others we are made to believe deserve victimisation.


October 30, 2011 at 11:49 am
AlanS says:

To the message above, if you actually listened to what DB said at the end of the show you’d know that Chris’ girlfriend gave him the shirt and made sure he wore it for his night out. Same shirt was given to the stuntman. Not difficult really. Sounds like you’re trying too hard to pick holes.


October 30, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Berber Anna says:

Stevie, that’s explained in the show itself. Derren tells the audience that they got two of those shirts, and had Kris’ live-in girlfriend (who was in on the whole thing — she was also the one who gave them the keys to their flat) give one to him and get him to wear it that day. The stuntman wore the other one.


October 30, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Merv says:

Anyone else find the audience reaction to someone apparently being killed rather odd,not only this week but last week too when Stephen Fry was ” shot ” ? Not a single person screamed or tried to get away as you might when someone is brandishing a gun. Instead,there was only complete silence. Seemed strange to me.


October 30, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Jason says:

he gave a shirt to kris’ girlfriend who then gave it to kris to wear that night


October 30, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Tim says:

First show of Derren I didn’t like. It was entertaining but not clever at all and missed the point. I’m sure the people would have voted the same way if they were alone in a room and without the masks. It is not surprising that people would like to make Chris angry after he told proudly how he cheated on his girlfriend. That’s absolutely ok. Nobody of the people would have voted for a car accident or would harm him seriously (like it happended in the Milgram experiments). This was not a very good demonstration of deindividuation and it was way too overdramatized.


October 30, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Nigel D says:

Great show, loved the audience reaction. Looking forward to the next 2 shows. See you in Leeds next feb


October 30, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Jon says:

I think the problems with this show were:

1. It was too easy to fix. Derren could have announced any percentage figures he liked to guide the decisions in any direction.

2. It’s pretty obvious that under those circumstances people would choose the worse of the two options each time. They trusted the production company to keep the victim safe, therefore knew they had freedom to ‘play’ within certain lines.

3. Derren didn’t do any tricks! The first part of the show was close to a classic Derren mind-bending feat, but for the rest of the show he simply read out a script, which Ant and Dec could have done.

4. The classic Tricks of the Mind, Mind Control stuff left us thinking Derren was either a real mind reader or an amazing con man. These last few shows don’t pose the same question.


October 30, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Don says:

Stevie,

The shirt is explained at the end. They bought two identical shirts and arranged for Chris’s girlfriend to give him one and make sure he wore it on the night.

PUA?


October 30, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Phoebe says:

I cried at the end of this episode and found it extremely uncomfortable to watch. I’m confused as to why a clip showing Derren’s ability to predict the letter chosen on an imaginary coin was used. This was not to do with deindividuation so I very much hope that this skill was used during the game show. As a psychology student I understand that this is unlikely, but the fact that such cruelty is possible so easily is a hard concept to accept. This was a very sad episode, but insightful, thankyou.


October 30, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Elizabeth BH says:

It was great though i though it was a bit mean to tell him he was fired (and for that matter destroy his property)…
However great show as always.

CAN’T WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT ‘EXPERIMENT’
but until then i will keep watching the repeats and see if i can work out exactly how you did it.


October 30, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Dominic says:

Great pair of legs in the shop.


October 30, 2011 at 4:42 pm

Fantastic show Derren, one of my favourites actually. It was really interesting to read people’s tweets at the same time too!


October 30, 2011 at 5:02 pm
krikkitz says:

Irvin Staub showed that whenever someone commits a cruel or kind act it is much easier the next time to commit an act in the same vein, and greater in magnitude. For the kindness continuum, reference Schlindler. For the cruelty continuum, see every genocide past, present and future. By setting Chris up before the crowd as a bit of a cad, Derren threw the balance toward punishment as the first choice, making it easier and easier for the “faceless crowd” to choose further and crueler acts. I do hope Derren and co. provided sufficient corrective aftercare to the crowd. For those who want further information on this phenomena, don’t look to Milgram. Instead, look to Irvin Staub, specifically “The Roots of Evil: The Origins of Genocide and Other Group Violence.”


October 30, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Sam says:

StevePUA he told his girlfriend to give him a shirt for her boyfriend, and that he wore it. So they brought an identical one too.

Good show, but you sort of did make the bad things sound better, but it just goes to show with a little bit of influence humans are not nice.


October 30, 2011 at 6:48 pm
katie says:

the reason the shirt was the same was because his girlfriens had two and gave one for him to wear that night (she was in on it).
Derren you always manage to suprise everyone at the end even when we think we’re in on it.
Well done
kt


October 30, 2011 at 7:19 pm

Stevie….Did you miss the part where he said his girlfriend had been instructed to get him to wear the shirt?

Says it clearly at the end, when that scene is being explained, sir!

I was lucky enough to also be at the The Assassin one, nothing was set-up there, it was shocking but equally insightful!


October 30, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Paul says:

I get the priciple of deindividuation and that of mob rule. But I don’t think this showed the mob element. At least not a pressure to conform. All anyone had to do was press a button so the pressure to conform was not there. I suppose anyone could have chosen not to participate further and left or protested as a rebuke to the rest of the audience but apparently none did.

I would be interested to know if this was filmed before or after the riots in August. I could be wrong but those seemed to demonstrate the dangers of deindividuation?


October 30, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Tom says:

Brilliant!!!!!

I don’t think the greatest lesson was learnt by the people choosing the negative options. There were obviously a lot of people choosing the positive actions and hopefully they will go a way recognising that they didn’t do anything to stop it. Lots of people shouting out – smash the tele etc. Why did no one (and there will have been some who were thinking ‘don’t smash the tele’) shout NO?


October 30, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Ella says:

I thoroughly enjoyed ‘The Gameshow’ on Friday.
You never fail to amaze us Mr. Brown! However, what we saw on Friday night was shameful.
Of course, everyone enjoyed the programme, but to see all the choices that they made, and even cheered about… well, it’s saddening, like you said at the end.


October 30, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Bernie Allen says:

If this intrigued you take a look at ‘The Lucifer Effect’ by Philip Zimbardo. Though many of us might think ‘Not me, I’d behave within my moral code’, evidence suggests that given the expectation/justification and a level of anonymity/uniform to hide behind this base behaviour is in all of us in the right situation. Scary!


October 30, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Bernie Allen says:

And as an afterthought ‘Evil is done when good people do nothing!’


October 30, 2011 at 8:48 pm
JayKay says:

@Tom says: Why did no one (and there will have been some who were thinking ‘don’t smash the tele’) shout NO?

Some of us did shout ‘No!’, Tom and that’s one thing I feel let this episode down – sorry guys – there should have been a fraction more balance in the editing. It was very uncomfortable to be an audience member on this episode. It was all pretty mild at first and – aware we were the experiment – I played along at first, choosing the boyfriend to cause a scene etc. But when things began to escalate – the guy losing his job etc – then the joke stopped for me. And I actually could not believe the baying that went on – for real – to smash up his TV and I had to shout no. At a filming break, I wanted to get up and go to the loo so that I wouldn’t be allowed back in as I was hating it.


October 30, 2011 at 8:55 pm
JayKay says:

But it was still a valuable experience – it was right before the riots and could not have been more timely. It made me consider my mouthier tweets, my quick judgements, how easy it is to be scornful. Yes, we knew ultimately nothing bad would have happened – but if I were being chased I’d have run for my life and maybe that car accident would have been for real? A weird experience to be part of that audience and none of us really deserves the Twitter comments from some – which are bullying. People weren’t there to experience our experience and it is easy to judge. Nevertheless Derren gave us all much food for thought that evening and hopefully has done the same for the viewers. This wasn’t a ‘scientific’ experiment and Derren is an entertainer – bear that in mind – but it was valuable.


October 30, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Richard says:

Derren,

I really enjoyed ‘Gameshow’ and was facinated by the principles at play. However, I was rather hoping for more discussion and exposure of these principles as you did for example in ‘Miracles for Sale’.

Also. on a wider note. we all know and love your powers of misdirection. I loved Svengali and still enjoy Devil’s Picturebook. Do you have any plans for TV specials along these lines? I would really like this but maybe I’m in the minority.


October 30, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Beth says:

Derren,
I just watched your show from Friday. I am a huge fan of yours but I am not sure I can face watching the next two shows in this series. I know the whole point of the programme was to prove good people did bad things under certain circumstances, but this was unbelieveable. I hate to think I would have had different thoughts going through my head had I been in the studio rather than at home. His friend from work seemed to know it had gone too far when she made the second phone call, do you think that’s because she wasn’t part of the ‘mob’ or because she was a particularly good person? As of the second decision things got quite dark, but when people were shouting to smash the TV it became very chilling.
I hope I’m never in a real position to find out how I would act.
Very sad.


October 31, 2011 at 12:31 am
Gert Venghaus says:

I watched the show twsice – congratulations to the producers. It is uncomfortable and painful to see the truth of onself when someone holds a mirror in front of you – but its a healthy experience, I could not believe the level of sadistic enjoyment and anticipation that was present as soon as the audience felt secure in their anonymity. It is, however, the same kind of audience who delights in the daytime rantings of the Jeremy Kyle type of shows, in the gorey life footage of war coverage, or in the perceived increasing level of public violence. The show and the reaction of the mob also showed that feelings like empathy, humanity and the desire to help rather than to harm are quite rare commodities nowadays. On the positive side, those who watched have hopefully learned a valuable lesson.


October 31, 2011 at 9:34 am
Ash says:

@JayKay Thank you I was kind of wondering about that, if and how much the audiences reactions had been edited. You don’t really need stooges, or at least not many of them, when you can edit things pretty much as you like.


October 31, 2011 at 11:45 am

I am concerned Derren seems to becoming the Jamie Oliver of magic, trying to teach us moral lessons – or, indeed, tell us off – about our potential “bad behaviour”. And I am increasingly uncomfortable with his public devaluation of human beings’ moral autonomy. Context is everything. Choices were made by the studio audience based on the fact that they knew the person was always going to be safe. Once “reality” kicked in, people found they had to make different moral choices. Such is life. Derren is very close to the argument that those who – for example – take part in political violence are not making autonomous moral choices but are being carried away by circumstances. Fear of the mob is an old-fashioned elitist viewpoint increasingly shared by the rest of us. I’m disappointed, Mr B.


October 31, 2011 at 11:48 am
gabs says:

Watched this and was disbelieving of the figures who chose the negative option, I don’t think having a mask on takes away any of the identity or responsibility. Yet in the ending many looked or acted guilty (and interestingly started placing the blame on t he crew for something -they- had done)
so not sure how genuine but pretty memorable tv all the same. Had a very complex dream last night in which I figured out how Derren did one of his tricks…


October 31, 2011 at 1:07 pm

How I would have done the “trick”?

There was no “live situation” The audience are watching a pre-recorded replay.
DB is simply acting and running through a pre-written script.
The tech dept have the ability to add a few seconds of “filler” footage on-the fly should there need to be a delay.
The audience are asked to vote – not at all. They press buttons, but this has no effect as there is a predetermined film sequence being played.
This allows all the interesting scenarios to be carefully controlled. What happens if the subject “victim” fought and suddenly punched an actor?
Then Ch4 would be dragged over the coals with legal problems.
So the whole situation was planned, pre-filmed and manageged very carefully.
Everything was methodically pre-planned. The ones being duped, the TV viewers


October 31, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Richard says:

Even just the collective gasp from all the guys in the audience when the Xbox is hit as a result of a bad swing from the baseball bat make the entire show worth watching.

You can arrest, frame, fire and humiliate someone, you can even destroy his TV, but don’t ever, EVER mess with a mans saved game data.


October 31, 2011 at 1:57 pm

I watched the beginning last night because I missed the first 5 mins before …..
The audience were mainly under 50yrs
Suggestions in the preamble:
1) Game show .. Biggy..suggests controlled environment & a programme override responsibility as safety mechanism.
Pressure to be part of making an interesting & entertaining game show..which is why I think they went for smashing up his home.
I also don’t think the audience really believed Chris wasn’t an actor.
2) Background on Chris given to audience .. Cheated on girlfriend .. women payback;
prank – enters room naked after night out on booze .. women & men payback;
Kickboxing .. male jealousy payback & women thinking he could handle the negative trials.
3) I think we want to see how others deal with a negative situation to learn from it.


October 31, 2011 at 1:57 pm

The end of the show was fascinating in the time delay of not knowing if Chris was ok ….. I think it said more about popular belief that a game show would not deliberately, really hurt anybody & the possibility that a mistake could lead to real harm rather than that they were personally responsble but had played a part in it.


October 31, 2011 at 3:32 pm
BPG says:

I think the Game show episode last night was excellent viewing, but too much emphasis was put on people wearing masks to protect their identity as the reason behind their voting.
I honestly believe that if the audience would not have had these masks, the voting outcome would have still been the same.
Human nature is always to provide cause and affect and given an option between good and bad scenarios bad will always be selected as people like to revel in others discomfort.


October 31, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Doubter says:

I love Derren’s work and try to figure out how some of the stuff is done.
His ‘live audience’ shows, filmed in theatres are better, IMO.

All through this programme, I thought that Kris was an actor – and It wouldn’t matter if he was, as it was the audience who were the subjects of the experiment, not Kris.
Kris’ colleague seemed too OTT before and after making the phone call (actress, I thought)

However, it was the bit towards the end that made me chuckle
“Kris came home to find a brand new telly to replace the one we smashed up”

How did they know for sure that his telly would be smashed up – without perhaps the production crew shouting ‘smash it’ or was it thought that by having a bat near the TV was enough for the audience to shout this?
Again, How did they know it’d B there


October 31, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Sep101 says:

Am I really the only person who could see where this was headed from the start?! From the very beginning it made me feel physically sick. Surely there are other people out there who would not have followed with the majority? To see on twitter people making posts about how ‘hilarious’ and ‘funny’ this show was really makes me worry about some of the idiots we have in this world. Some people have likened to this laughing at someone falling over, it is NOTHING like that. The lack of empathy is truly astonishing, and quite frankly disgusting.


October 31, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Martyn P says:

Thought it was a brilliant show.

The way it came across to me was how the dynamics of the “faceless” audience changed throughout the show. It wasn’t so much the choices that were being made, to be fair the evil choice was always going to be a given as it was pretty obvious that it was a set up and Kris would always have been OK.

But from the moment the producer was in Kirs’ apartment, that’s when the audience started to change, from the subtle comments about swapping his alphabetised DVD collection (I’m the same, that would have really wound me up), the looking thorugh his bedside draw (the only sacred haven for a mans stuff), smashing his personal property, to eventually being chased by the kidnappers, the audince got more and more vocal and more and more agressive.


October 31, 2011 at 4:49 pm
JayKay says:

@Ash To give them their due, the editing isn’t far off at all. Yes, I think there should have been a bit more balance in showing some obvious discomfort that was in the room, but actually I was quite horrified by the shouting of the audience to smash up his TV etc. It was quite mental in the studio at times and the editing, on the whole, gives a pretty good picture of the experience. I actually felt there was something wrong with me that I couldn’t relax and just ‘go with it’ and I found myself trying to clap and smile so as not to be the only one in the row with a face like fudge. I never thought I’d ever want to walk out of a Derren experience – I was so glad to be out of there that night – I felt pretty mixed up, even though I’d guessed right away that we were the subjects. C/TND


October 31, 2011 at 4:52 pm
JayKay says:

C/TND But nevertheless, it is an experience – and one which has given me food for thought – and has done many others by the looks of it. I don’t think Derren’s preaching at all – we forget he is a showman. He’s merely holding a mirror up…


October 31, 2011 at 7:49 pm
penfold says:

I wonder. They seemed prepared to smash a telly. A replacement was all ready and waiting. Who in the crowd shouted to smash the telly?

Aristotle said that virtue was fulfilling our goal, of becoming good people. None of us want to be part of the mob, we all understand its darkness. Most of us were either bullies or bullied. What fascinates me is the question, what sort of man wants to lead such a mob?

Derren is a great educator, and that seems to be the tacit justification for much of his work. Yet watching this I thought I saw something else. I thought I glimpsed a bully. A man who will do ever so much to the small person in order to elevate his own standing.

I hope I am mistaken; but this episode cut that distinction very close.


October 31, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Tim H. says:

I loved the first episode of “The Experiments”, so I was very excited for “The Gameshow”.

A couple of comments – Derren mentioned in “Derren Brown discusses The Gameshow” that he wasn’t sure if it would “work” at all, if the people would devolve into a malign collective or keep to basic civility.

I feel that the setup of a TV show isn’t a proper way to test these assumptions (which I believe are real, sadly). Derren, at some point (smashed TV), practically whipped the audience into excitement. Maybe that’s just my impression, and – fair point – even anonymous mobs usually have some kind of hierarchy. But I just felt it didn’t show that “anonymous crowds” devolve into nasty behaviour on principle, without being led.

Another thing: I wish you had shown the percentages of the vote.


October 31, 2011 at 9:17 pm
John Morton says:

Interesting, however because the audience were voting with key pads they were voting independantly. The only one leading the group was derren himself at first by protraying Kris as a cocky cheat. It was only when they started to say about smashing the tv that the mob thing came into play. Like i said interesting. Would love to see Derren do what he does best and perform some of the effects he does on stage.


October 31, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Stuart says:

This was disturbingly realistic – please Derren, don’t ever sell your soul and agree to host some cheap, nasty and exploitative tv gameshow! This actually made me feel quite uncomfortable watching the audience delight in having this perceived power. Well done – point very clearly made.


October 31, 2011 at 10:46 pm

I thought this was one of Derrens weaker shows.

Though the audience were cruel surely this was offset by the fact that they knew that none of their decisions would have any long term effect. Telling the poor bloke he was losing his job was on the level of a practical joke considering it wasn’t actually going to happen.


October 31, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Ben L says:

Very intriguing episode on a number of fronts; but given that it is possible to induce a crowd to become a mob, have any experiments been done the other way to reduce a mob back into an ‘orderly’ crowd?


November 1, 2011 at 12:14 am
john staunton says:

derren, you were overly suggestive and omissive during this show and most definitely influenced audience behaviour but ultimately free will was not removed…being let in on the trick, i found the whole show cringeworthy, knowing that if I didn’t know the objective I would have been in the majority of the studio audience, for that alone, it was a great show, not many tv shows allow you to think outside the box if you’ll excuse the pun.


November 1, 2011 at 12:34 am
Kalle says:

I swear that every audience member that walked out after the filming of ‘Remote Control’ was like: “Well I for one voted A all the time”, “Yeah I didn’t even cheer when they smashed his telly”


November 1, 2011 at 12:59 am
Joe says:

When the man says ‘Lick his sheets?!’, it cuts to the audience where everyone is laughing apart from two girls who are just sat there which shows that not everyone was happy with what was happening and didn’t feel pressured to join in.


November 1, 2011 at 9:23 am
Me says:

I am not usually prone to hyperbole, but The Gameshow was, quite simply, fantastic. The reaction of the audience when the mark was hit by a car was a water-cooler moment, and it will stay with me for a long time. I hope this series and background interviews are released on DVD. Well done Mr Brown, well done.


November 1, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Berber Anna says:

JayKay: I noticed some audience members not clapping, and shaking their heads, from the very first choice (and more as the thing went on). A guy in a yellow shirt was the first to be shown not applauding, was that you? And I think I did notice a few shouts of ‘no’ in the background noise, but the ‘smash it’ was much louder. Is that editing, or was that really the case?


November 1, 2011 at 4:40 pm
John Ledbury says:

Sorry, I thought this was disappointing too, quite uncomfortable to watch the baying crowd. We know this much from Zimbardo so it would have been more meaningful if we had seen the votes; DB could have been making them up. And I bet a gender breakdown of the votes would not have reflected generously on the female side of the audience – leading the baying for blood, first to retreat when it suddenly went wrong! I hope the victim was an actor too, no need for him not to be but I’m not sure it was said that this was so.


November 1, 2011 at 8:12 pm
laura says:

There have been comments it was not scientific… i don’t think it needs to be, films aren’t scientific but they do tell us things about ourselves and how humans behave.

It tells us all something very very deeply profound, it may make us think about our own individuality and morals, how we ourselves can avoid having ‘crowd’ mentality forced upon us.

I think it SHOULD be extremely valuable to each and everyone of us… whether people thought it was “disappointing” compared to derren’s other stuff or “unscientific” its getting a vital message to the populous… thats vital and something TV doesn’t do to societies advantage anymore.


November 2, 2011 at 12:31 am
Leo says:

My sincere thank you!


November 2, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Lesley says:

Derren generalised too much in saying that everyone is capable of becoming a destructive member of a mob. It was obvious that there were many in the audience who were horribly uncomfortable. There are different types of people – some will glory in the opportunity to victimise, some are sheep who follow the crowd, some feel uncomfortable but too nervous to speak out, while a few will stand up for what they think is right.

A German lady I know had two wonderful cousins who did not like what they were being asked to do by the Nazis. They stood up for what they believed in, even though they knew their objections would end in their execution.


November 2, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Judith says:

@Kalle I can ensure you, I was in the audience and I feared your comment would happen, that is why I am feeling so bad about this believe me. I can say hand on my heart tell you that I voted for A for all apart from the first one which I am totally ashamed of myself for. I think the voting got messed up at one point too and got my A’s and B’s mixed up too. (not sure if that was intential?) I too was shouting no and my hands were over my mouth when the guys belongings were being trashed. Remember though we were there to see Derren and my excitement was for that nothing else..And when the double got run over you can actually hear my shout ‘Oh f_ck’ at the end. However I do actually think about what I tweet etc now so I guess I have learnt my lesson. I wouldn’t dream of being nasty to anyone


November 3, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Ash says:

Those who are saying ‘Derren overly influenced the audiences decision’ are clearly missing the point, because that IS the point.


November 4, 2011 at 2:41 am
Louise says:

Outstanding TV and a superb psychological experiment. Given the recent behaviour of seemingly ‘upstanding’ members of society during the riots, this is particularly interesting. I found watching the show uncomfortable from the start of the live audience part, and repeatedly hoped that I would behave differently if I were ever in a similar situation. It reminded me of reading ‘Lord of the Flies’ as a child! I think that many people may not have quite ‘got’ the point of this, and would have liked to have seen some of the audience interviewed after the event. I found The Assassin particularly disturbing too, for entirely different reasons.

Keep up the excellent work please Derren!


November 4, 2011 at 10:01 am
Mark says:

Very uncomfortable to watch for me. If the bit in the bar had happened were I live , it would have turned into a mass brawl, punches would have been thrown. I certainly wouldn’t have stayed there, it would have put me off the rest of the evening, and I’d have gone home. I couldn’t help but think that the victim was in on it anyway, he was just too calm with the things that were happening to him. He lost his job, he was like, oh well.


November 4, 2011 at 11:50 am
Nick says:

Mark I think what you’ve missed is that the bloke was carefully chosen (as is always the case) to ensure that he would be someone to react in said way. They would never have done the experiment with someone who was likely to walk out. Plus, you’ve got to remember that his mates were in on it to help guide him!


November 4, 2011 at 3:38 pm
ian says:

The use of masks to “deinviduate” the crowd was pure showmanship. No one else would ever know which choice each audience member made. There is no connection between the choice made by the individuals and what happened to the subject of the gameshow. The audience members would never be responsible for their choices. Never be called to account for it. Anonymous but part of a crowd where the nasty choices were more and more acceptable. A herd mentality and indirect group pressure. The audience could have been sitting at home with their mobile phones or tv remotes making the same choices. The result and ultimate responsibility for what happened would be the same but we would have lost the entertaining and edifying shots of the audience after the accident and after the explanation.


November 4, 2011 at 5:53 pm
rik says:

Have to say I found this episode a bit boring. Don’t get me wrong he’s very talented and comes across very well on TV, but I didn’t really engage with this episode. That said no one entertains as much as Devil Derren.


November 4, 2011 at 8:48 pm
JayKay says:

@Berber Anna The TV bit was for real. That’s when I was at my least comfortable and that’s saying something, as I was uncomfortable lots. The TV bit thing was my absolute cut off point. I was shocked by the shouting. But the thing is, we all knew it was Derren, so nothing that bad was gonna happen… It was such a strange confusing mixture of ‘I know what they’re doing to us. Do I know what they’re doing? Is this a real game show? Nah, Idiot, we’re an experiment. Oh, here comes the camera, smile and laugh so as not to be the only one not enjoying it. Die quietly inside wondering if there’s something wrong with you that you can’t join in. Hate yourself. Hate Derren. Be relieved you got out. Go home wondering wtf you just lived through. Try to forget about it…’ And I don’t hate Derren.


November 4, 2011 at 8:51 pm
JayKay says:

@Berber Anna It was a lesson. I do curb my Twitter comments more now. But I’m still a bitch. I think about it a lot more now though – but I guess that’s worse as it’s malice aforethought. Feck it, I’m only human. I rescue midges from drowning in the bog, I guess that’s my redeeming quality.


November 4, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Catherine says:

I’m just wondering who the producer guy was that smashed the tv? I can’t remember his name


November 5, 2011 at 12:08 am
Dorian says:

Derren Brown: Game Show… For that to reveal anything about the audience you would have to use an actor for the subject, make the audience truly anonymous, and make them think everything they’re choosing is having a real and permanent effect on the subject’s life. Seeing as they all know it’s a game show and has no real lasting effect, anyone who doesn’t go for the negative option is just boring… The twist at the end was cool though.


November 5, 2011 at 12:19 am
Dorian says:

Everyone knows that when people’s possession’s get smashed as part of TV shows, that they always get replaced at the end… And everyone in the audience thought it was a game show. You have to make the audience think it’s not just a game, that it’s real… Therefore you need to use an actor as the subject. This is the only way to show what you were claiming to show.

The twist at the end was a good warning against un-thought-out pranks. There were several points in the genuine show, where if you had not chosen your subject so well, things could also have gone horribly wrong. Many people would’ve got physical.


November 5, 2011 at 1:07 am
Ayla says:

Poor Kris, I am guessing he won’t have a girlfriend after she sees theh video of him confessing he cheated on her…That is if that was real, pretty weird of him in the first place to reveal something like that on camera. But then again people do strange things to get on TV.


November 5, 2011 at 9:39 am
Judith says:

@Catherine He is called Dave.. I didn’t like that bit, I just thought how I would feel if someone was looking around my house and trashing stuff. I was cringing inside. @JayKay I don’t hate Derren either x I just wish they hadn’t made us look so harsh on TV as we were monsters or something but I guess that was the point of the show. I am beginning to think it was a valueable experience and one that I will never forget for good and bad reasons! Judith x


November 5, 2011 at 10:45 am
Tamara says:

There is a lot of discussion about shirts on here, which shows what a master of distraction Derren is.
We, as humans, will not move on until we stop laughing at people falling over.


November 5, 2011 at 11:30 am
Leanne says:

Some of these comments really make me laugh in response to Mel who thinks the audience and Chris were all actors you are wrong I was in the audience and not one member of the audience had any idea of the nature of the filming only that it was Derren Brown’s new show. I have been angry to find that comments have been posted online attacking people who were in the audience even stooping so low as to say everyone in the audience is that bad a person they should not have a job to go, I find this laughable as anyone of us put in that situation would have acted the same and its also hypocritical as this programme is set up to show up the kind of people that are happy to hide behind there computers and insult people they don’t know for their entertainment. If you were shocked show did its job!


November 5, 2011 at 11:46 am
Leanne says:

Also people seem to be forgetting it was all done to shock you this is the whole point but what we need to remember is that this was just a set up a TV show and i am glad I took part I realized pretty quickly that as a member of the audience I was the experiment but chose to continue as I have been a victim of internet bullying and I wanted people to watch the show and be shocked and disturbed and to stop and think before they go online and start being abusive. I was affected by this for real so to have people I don’t know catergorize me in the same way as people who really do put others through hell via bullying is disgusting, If your that offended by something don’t watch it if you watched it you made it your entertainment so complaining is somewhat hypocritical surely?


November 5, 2011 at 11:57 am
Berber Anna says:

Leanne: I agree that it’s nasty of people to say that everyone in the audience is a bad person and shouldn’t have a job. However, I disagree that ‘everyone put in that situation would have acted the same’, as there have already been comments here from audience members that didn’t vote with the majority and protested the smashing of the TV. Clearly, even the people present didn’t all ‘act the same’. That does not make the others bad people, but it does mean that some reflection may have been in order for them (which I’m sure has happened afterwards).


November 5, 2011 at 11:59 am
Berber Anna says:

Ayla: If I recall correctly, he said he cheated on his ‘then-girlfriend’ or a similar phrase. I don’t think the current girlfriend is the same person he was talking about.


November 5, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Sam Bell says:

I loved that episode, however I think another factor was the audience trusted the show to make sure an incident (The end scenario) wouldn’t happen. However, it was very good and the idea of deindividuation is frightening. :D


November 5, 2011 at 3:40 pm
JayKay says:

@Judith I’d die if someone had a rummage round my place! Maybe I should live my life as if the production team might pop by at any minute and it’d be spankingly tidy? *runs upstairs to check last night’s pants aren’t half-in/half-out of the laundry bin* And I’m gonna tell you only once more, you are a lovely, lovely lady – so, pecker up, Wee One. x


November 5, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Judith says:

@JayKay Hahaha that post made me laugh. Thank you I feel better with the lovely tweet/FB Derren posted earlier. You are lovely too :D . It was a interesting night and to make it just that extra little bit more interesting my train home was 3 hours delayed!! #Karma. Lols. X


November 6, 2011 at 12:32 am
Leanne says:

In response to Berber Anne I did not select the negative option everytime but I do believe anyone put in that situation would have selected the negative outcome more oftern than selecting the postive outcome which was proven as if i remember rightly only about 5% of people selected postively each time. We did all act the same as im sure you would struggle to find one person who was there that didnt select the negative outcome atleast once. We all sat there we all watched we all clapped and all laughed if people were offended or upset at the levels the show was going to with smashing the TV etc they could have left and as far as I remember only one woman left right at the end of filming after the car crash scene. We all have it in us to behave like that it should make us all think!


November 6, 2011 at 3:03 pm
JayKay says:

@Leanne Ah, but that’s the thing – I don’t think it was at all easy to leave. I guess it depends where you were sitting, but I was tucked up at the far end and I’d have had to run in front of all the camera set-up. Even at the beginning, Jackie-no-bladder here nearly passed out with desperation before finding the guts to leave for a pee – and that was before filming kicked off. As you know, there were all sorts of pressures influencing our behaviour and that’s the point really – it was a confusing, herding experience. I, by no means, voted for the good outcome all the time – far from it – even though I had worked out what the show was about, I still pressed the naughty button lots. But, as with others around me, the latter stunts sobered us up and alarm bells were deffo ringing.


November 6, 2011 at 3:11 pm
JayKay says:

@Leanne Interesting to read the interview with Derren where he discusses the X Factor audition. It really has become gladiatorial and uncomfortable now and, instead of the show being a positive life-changer, it’s becoming about spectating pain; ripping out the throats of the deluded, deriding has-been winners that haven’t managed to deal with the stress of fame. I think it’s partially responsible for some of the stinking lowest-common-denominator attitudes in today’s society. And personally, I think it’s high time we had some Good Deed TV as it’s the glass nipple that has the most influence on people. Feed us nutritional fayre and we will be healthy sheeples. Feed us crap and we can only be what we absorb.


November 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Judith says:

I just watched xfactor and usually would tweet/FB negative comments towards contestants but not tonight. Lesson learnt. X


November 6, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Secret Santa says:

This may have been said, I haven’t read through all the comments sorry. I think my reaction had I been in the audience may have been to go for the bad options because I would assume that a TV programme has many restrictions and a duty of care for participants and that actually nothing that bad could happen. In fact when I think about it, my friend and I got quite involved in the show and laughed along with everyone else. Although I had no control over the outcome of the voting that probably makes me as bad. Obviously on refection thats probably not a good thing….! Maybe people who are reacting negatively are trying to cover their own reaction?


November 7, 2011 at 11:47 am
Dave says:

I was part of the audience and i would be quite interested to find out if anyone else in the audience felt hypnotised. Im pretty sure apart from the first choice (accused of pinching the bum, which i thought would be quite funny until i realised how aggressive the boyfriend turned) i chose all the positive outcomes. I did however feel like i was under some sort of trance. Very weird experience.


November 7, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Fi says:

Not sure if anyone’s commented this already but deindividuation as a theory was discredited decades ago. Since then crowd behaviour (including anti social crowd behaviour) has been explained using social identity theory, where there is a shift from personal to group identity, and the norms of that group are taken on by its members. That is what the gameshow provided evidence for as it was quite blatant the audience were meant to choose the “bad”, more entertaining choice and so they did. Obviously Derren knows this but it makes better TV to say the crowd lost their minds and acted aggressively. I love Derren but this one I didn’t enjoy as much. It seems a lot of people who watched this now believe in deindividuation, an incorrect view of crowds that may carry consequences


November 9, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Judith says:

@Dave I felt as if I was watching myself it was very odd, don’t know how to describe any better :-/


November 10, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Jason says:

I’ve only just caught the Gameshow episode, which made for uncomfortable but highly entertaining viewing (as ever). In one of those weird little coincidences that life throws up now and again, I’d just an hour earlier read this long and interesting article on the very subject of this show: deindividuation. (link below) I don’t know if it really has been discredited as Fi suggests in the above post but it certainly raises some issues and questions about our ability to think and act according to our own ethical / moral compass, and not be swayed by the potentially powerful influences of anonymity and the crowd.

Here is the article: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/02/10/deindividuation/


November 10, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Chris says:

Very insightful into the human psyche and a fascinating show .

Would be interesting to know..

1. What ratio of people in the audience voted each time, as I’m sure some audience members would have abstained. Was this a handful of people deciding, or the vast majority?

2. If given a third choice ‘C’ was offered to abstain from voting, how many would have chosen this option and how this would have affected the result?


November 11, 2011 at 10:25 pm
robert says:

Derren. All casino in the UK will love you forever! NIce latest show! You just earnt them a fortune. I hope they paid you well. Nice one!


November 12, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Judith says:

@Jason Great article, thank you for posting, shows the power of deindividuation.


November 13, 2011 at 1:33 am
Chris says:

I found this show deeply upsetting and disturbing, though I knew about the electric shock experiments from many years ago. I still believe that people are basically good but this is disturbing tv. Not sure why I found is so difficult to watch.


November 22, 2011 at 5:40 pm
John says:

Excellent show, I am hoping the audience and viewers learnt something for the future. I do not see the humor in peoples suffering and would have chosen the positive options, this show goes to prove that empathy and prediction skills are something lacking in todays society. Another reason for their behaviour may have been envy. It is however clear that from the start that Derren was manipulating the audiences decision and nudging them along.

I believe Derren should have gone to the next level, we should have seen Chris in an ambulance with chest paddles or at least a confirmation of his death. The resulting shock and horror would really have a memorable impact on the audience and give them a taste of their own medicine.

Note the woman who leaves the audience after the crash…


January 2, 2012 at 12:49 am
Donna says:

i haven’t read all the comments but wanted to know if anyone else spotted that the guy being ‘tortured’ (as thats the only way you can describe it) was some one you werent supposed to like had the guy from the false guilty experiment been the the subject of this one people would have been nice because he was someone you like. not a fair experiment do it again in a few years with all new audience and choices with someone you cant help but like and see if the same happens.


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