Testing psychics
I thought I would pen a few words about the high-profile test offered to Sally Morgan by Simon Singh, Chris French and the Merseyside Skeptics tomorrow Monday. It looks like Sally has declined to take part, but their offer is open to conduct a fair test or at least discuss the test with her to make sure both they and her are happy with it.
Simon Singh, along with other sceptics, has had concerns about Sally and published them here on his blog. I add, as does he, that I am not saying that Sally is a fake or a fraud. I’d really like to think that she’s not, but reserve all judgement. I don’t know her and have never seen her show, on TV or on stage. Even if I had, my opinion about her would mean very little, and I’m sure she could give a flying doughnut about what I had to say. Really the only worthwhile point is whether claims such as Sally’s stand up to testing, not what I or any other individual with our own inevitable prejudices happens to think.
Until recently, I thought I had never met her, but I have since heard rather excitingly that I may have filmed an unused sequence with Sally once at her home. If I did, it would have been for one of those old Mind Control specials ten or so years ago. I have my team looking into that to see if we ever did and if they can dig it out. Certainly we filmed with one lady psychic at her house, where we each gave each other a reading, so perhaps that was it.
Sally has recently received mixed media attention following a phone call to a radio station made by a lady who had attended her show in Dublin, who said she heard what sounded like verbal cues being given to the medium on stage. Apparently she heard phrases like ‘Dave – bad back’ being whispered from the lighting booth at the back of the auditorium a few seconds before Sally repeated those words on stage, raising the strong suspicion in this woman’s mind that Sally was using an earpiece. If this were true, it would follow that the assistant in the booth had most likely picked up information in the foyer where people were openly discussing what they were hoping to hear that night. The phone call can be heard here and is worth listening to in full. Sally has since denied the insinuations, saying that it was simply lighting technicians chatting, although to me this doesn’t seem to answer the question of why she was delivering lines moments after they were heard coming from the booth.
Frustratingly for Sally, her explanation may of course be fair. To be honest, if I were a fake psychic and wanted to use an earpiece to receive my cues, I wouldn’t put my assistant in the lighting booth where in-house staff would normally work. There would be the advantage of receiving visual cues, but my preference would be to tuck him away safely backstage somewhere. Unless, that is, I was supplying all the crew for the show, in which case it wouldn’t be an issue. Sally may well supply all her crew, I have no idea. (Note: Thanks ‘Chez’, I hear the theatre in question would have indeed required Sally to bring all her own crew) But I have heard from in-house theatre crews who have hosted big-name psychic shows that they were surprised to see the shows follow a fairly tight structure and an oddly similar script every night: therefore another possible explanation could be that the whispering was indeed cheekiness from the lighting technicians who were just pre-empting what they knew was coming next, having seen the show so many times. Who knows. Maybe both they and Sally are genuinely psychic and they should all have their own shows.
Point is, this could be a totally innocent incident which has gotten out of hand. Once you’re aware of the huge amount of fraudulence committed in the name of mediumship, it’s hard not to smirk when someone seems to have been caught out. If you watched ‘Miracles For Sale’, you may remember the ‘healer’ Peter Popoff getting caught out rather splendidly with an earpiece by James Randi: this is astonishing footage. Irrespective of whether to not Sally was using the earpiece, she has made a name for herself and made a lucrative business from the seemingly astonishing business of connecting people with their loved ones, so some scrutiny is important. If a psychic were simply a doctor – and arguably mediums and psychics involve themselves with their clients in a similarly personal and delicate way – then you’d want to know that he or she had passed her medical exams. We even like to check the credentials of a plumber. Surely the bigger and more amazing the claims being made, the more solid the evidence needs to be for them to hold up, and the more important that evidence is.
Sally may be a perfectly innocent victim of unfortunate tar-brushing. If she is a real stage psychic, she finds herself in bad company. Doris Stokes, her antecedent that most immediately springs to mind, has, since herself passing over to the Happy Summerland, been exposed on a number of counts. She would enter a town with her sell-out show to a flurry of mail from desperate people giving her all the information she’d need for a full evening show. She would, I heard, give readings during the day for people, and then invite them to the show in the evening and feed back, from the stage, the information she’d learnt from them during the day. A woman I once knew who had lost her son in a drowning accident was asked to come along to an event given by  Stokes and receive a message from the spirit of her child, and was furious to have her tragedy exploited and twisted when the the rosy-cheeked, grandmotherly medium simply trotted out the details of the death as reported in the local newspaper and used this woman as a sure-fire hit after a couple of dud readings. Other mediums, very much alive and well, are watched nightly by in-house stage crews who then delight in passing on their apparent modi operandi when I turn up with my show. One very big name psychic was caught ushering in a couple of stooges through a side entrance – self-evidently, I was told, his mother and a friend of hers – who then became his most enthusiastic audience members during the show.
Hence it would be a very good idea to test a psychic who claims to be real and to not be like all those nasty, manipulative frauds, who prey on the guaranteed paying audiences of vulnerable people who know no better. But who will call for such testing? Not the audiences. Ironically, they’re the last to insist that we check that the medium on stage before them is real, and not self-deluded or lying through her teeth. And why should they? Who would risk denying oneself profound comfort? Instead, to them, their psychic is the real one, those others are the fakes, and they know that because… because they just know it. Because they’ve seen the show and they think the show is the evidence. They most likely are unaware of the self-working technique of Cold Reading which can allow anyone with little sense of morality to get up on stage and carry off a perfectly convincing psychic show. Here’s a page where you can learn how to be a fake psychic yourself – its one of the oldest businesses in the world. Add some benign, trustworthy charisma, a bit of ‘hot’ reading (where you have some information on your punters) and some decent PR,  and you have got yourself a world class show. Many people might think you’re a fake, but you will be guaranteed to sell-out theatres across the country with people who will defend you to the grave and goodness me, it’s good business. In fact I sometimes wonder if the main reason why people would rather believe a psychic is genuine might be because the implications of it being a lie – of that person, for reasons of ego and renumeration, happily getting up on stage and trampling over the lives of people who know no better – is so ugly that it’s preferable to give them the benefit of the doubt.
So I hope Sally isn’t like those people. And there’s no way of knowing without a test. For those who say they’ve seen her and have all the proof they need, then that’s great for them, but her show is not the test, it’s the very thing we’d need to test. If the magician David Copperfield went mad and claimed to really be sawing a woman in half, and you wanted to see if he was just using trickery, it would make no sense to say ‘I know he’s real, I’ve seen the show and he really saws that woman in half’. Instead you’d have to take what he does out of a show environment and see if he can still do it when other explanations have been removed. For example, if on stage the woman has to be first placed in a special box or on a special table, can he do it without the box and on any table? If not then maybe it’s something to do with the box or the table. Can he do it with any woman? With any blades? You get the idea. We’d have to put aside our emotions (the ones that want us to believe he’s real or fake regardless of testing) and base our new beliefs on the outcome of the test. Of course in this imaginary scenario where he is claiming to have real magic powers, Copperfield would know he’d never stand up to this sort of examination and would most do anything to decline the test.
You’d think psychics would be very eager to prove they can really do it. There’s a million dollar prize fund to be won by any psychic who can show under reasonable and controlled conditions (which they can decide upon in conjunction with the scientists) that what they do is real. This is money that could be kept or given to charity of course, not to mention the likelihood of also receiving a Nobel prize and the ability to give the world vital new knowledge that would change us forever. Imagine that! If I woke up to find that I could really do it, I’d be a selfish and odd creature to offer it only to TV viewers and theatre audiences. I’d be out there, doing every test I could until the scientific establishment sat up and listened. You’d be forgiven for doubting my sincerity if I said I had better things to do.
Sally Morgan has said she does have better things to do, which may be true, but if she’s real it’s a shame to deny the world the first psychic to have been able to prove herself. Sadly no psychic or medium to this point has ever been able to do so. The test is based on asking her to reproduce the phenomena she produces in her show, but importantly the scientists have invited her to discuss the test if she feels any aspect of it should be changed. Some entertaining correspondence on the subject between her lawyer and Simon Singh can be read here.
I imagine Sally will decline the test, and people will draw their own conclusions. I can’t imagine this will make any difference to her fan base or indeed to her. She may be seen by that minority as somehow gloriously ‘rising above’ the test and the ‘haters’ and the ‘sceptics’. Usually when people say this they mean ‘cynics’ rather than ‘sceptics’ as the former is negative and the latter is neutral. A sceptic reserves judgement until the evidence is in. A sceptic or a scientist should never be a ‘hater’ – he or she just feels that a suitable test is a way of finding truth rather than unreliable anecdote or a stage show where any cheating could be going on. The pre-determined negative views of cynics and ‘haters’, meanwhile, are as blind and irrelevant to the discussion as those of ardent, true-believing fans.
Another term that gets abused is ‘open-minded’. There’s being open-minded and there’s being so open minded that your brain falls out. Ian Rowland, the author of ‘The Full Facts Book of Cold-Reading’ (an excellent guide on faking these skills) gives an example. Suppose you are a chef, cooking soup for two hundred diners. You say to yourself ‘Well, I know if I put arsenic in this soup it’ll kill everyone. But hey! Gotta be open-minded!’ And you go ahead and add the deadly metalloid to the goats’ cheese crostini and float it atop the watercress and mint broth. Are you being open-minded or… just ignoring important information? In life we can only work with the best information we have to go on. We know that poison kills people so we don’t add it to our soups. We know that gravity works so we don’t jump out of windows unless we want to kiss a cruel world goodbye. Likewise when we know that psychic ability can be very easily faked – particularly on stage where the size of the audience can help enormously – it is not ‘open-minded’ to ignore that fact and keep believing without real evidence. Sadly, however, the methods of the fraudsters are not so well-known, which is why I spend some of my time trying to bring them out into the open. It is not being ‘closed-minded’ to want to put these people to the test or be wary of a psychic’s claims. It’s the best use of available knowledge in a world where we know how it can be faked and where vulnerable people are being asked to pay for the promise of something supernatural, with no firm evidence to back it up.
Most of you, as readers of this blog, will know all of this of course. Others won’t, and will just feel annoyance towards the scientists offering the test (‘Who the hell are you to test our Sally? Leave her alone, it’s nothing to do with you’). So it’s always worth saying why it’s really important to check carefully when these sorts of claims are being made. Meanwhile, brace yourselves: Sally may decide to show the world tomorrow that she can really do it, and the course of human knowledge will take a sudden swerve to the left. We can look forward to her and other verified psychics working with governments and scientists and finally, perhaps, these proven individuals can engage with the forces of the departed in order to advance our race, help us find peace amongst ourselves and understand the nature of eternity, rather than merely pass on bland condolences or upsetting revelations from the Other Side.
Or maybe she’ll have better things to do.
D.
I think if you get it wrong ONCE, you’re out. You can’t swing and miss til your psychic.
Thankyou Derren for being honest about your talents, you’ve opened eyes I know, and seem to be making MORE money out of the truth! Thank God!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14sIoE8qT4&feature=related – You have to watch this!
Swingandamiss.
Oops, corrected link: http://tinyurl.com/MorganLibel
Some people in this thread mentioned they have tickets for forthcoming Morgan shows. If you have the money or equipment, please consider taking along a pocket radio scanner and a recording device attached to the scanner. I’m assuming that Morgan’s people might be reading this blog, so if you are considering it, maybe don’t announce it here ahead of your visit.
I see dead people – most mornings in the bathroom mirror
Could it be that a psychic has something in common with a placebo?
As Stephen Fry said on QI recently, nobody knows how placebos work (in regard to the human psyche) but they do. Even when a subject is appraised of the facts. Seems that humans, as guinea pigs, still have a lot of secrets to surrender.
On this note Derren, have you seen this?
http://www.projectbarnum.co.uk/
Let’s get involved peeps!
Just thought I’d mention The One, the search for Australias top psychic, don’t know if anyone else is aware of this but its a reality TV series in which a dozen or so of Oz’s top psychics are put through these scientific tests. As a skeptic myself it has proved to be some very interesting viewing which only back up what I already thought. There has been the odd ‘fluke’ but nothing which in my eyes verifies genuine psychic ability.
I’d love to dismiss all ‘psychics’ as cold reading fraudsters who rely on gullible punters, but would like to recount an experience I had years ago which I’m sure most reading this will dismiss without a second thought.
It involved a ‘Psychic’ guy being interviewed on a local TV station who stated he was going send out an image to viewers. Long story short, my Mum was listening in the kitchen but wasn’t actually watching.
However, she immediately described the image (a ship with the sun above) and said she saw a red outline of it clear as day. I laughed, she was puzzled, but it turned out to be the correct image which was spooky to say the least.
Now I take it for granted that very basic telepathy is possible, but there are too many ways to replicate the effect to convince others.
Darren, have you heard of Norman Don’s study on alien abductee claimants? To me it is an interesting work because it shows that ‘genuine’ claimants are able to change their brain wave patterns, whereas others in the experiment couldn’t (13 of the first group and 100 controls, claiming trance and mediumistic abilities). Google: topografia cerebral de pessoas abduzidas (Portuguese site but the study is in English).
Could it be that genuine psychics don’t do well in hostile situations for the same reason that plants left to their own devices grow well but those stomped over with hobnail boots die?
As for placebos working – surely this is mind over matter and proving that self-hypnosis ensures matter follows belief? Not so much a miracle as control. Look at how some people are house proud and keep their residences immaculate (healthy) while others turn them into filthy and untidy cesspits (fail to look after their dwellings / own lives). Likewise think of Voodoo, where people are told they are going to die and do so. Also there was a case of somebody accidentally given the results for somebody terminally ill – they died and the other person survived.
Tony: I fail to see how the performance anxiety of a ‘psychic’ is comparable to physical damage killing a plant. Obviously, if you mortally injure an organism (i.e. damage it to the point where repair is impossible and function is impaired severely), it will die. But nobody is suggesting these ‘psychics’ are mutilated before they’re tested.
Similarly, I fail to see how tidiness vs. untidiness ties into the placebo (or nocebo) effect. Mindset has a proven effect on the immune system, but what does that have to do with how tidy one chooses to keep their home?
Like religion, it seems that these shows draw their audiences in by making them believe and have faith in the psychic’s abilities. Faith requires no proof if the payout is good enough. The comparison to that debunked faith healer is an interesting one though. How much does Sally earn from her devotees? Although these performances provide great comfort, it makes me ill to think that she may be making millions from other people’s naivety.
Chris: That’s pretty interesting, it sounds similar to one of “the events” episodes a couple of years ago (I think it’s on 4oD…) Even if it is seemingly unexplainable though, doesn’t necessarily mean that the outcome is the result of psychic powers or anything paranormal.
Tony: I see what you’re saying – a lot of students taking driving tests fail repeatedly simply due to pressure. However, what could be more stressful than performing in front of a room full of strangers, relying only on your “psychic” ability that you know does not hold up under pressure (thus the unwillingness to take a test)? It seems possible, but all too convenient for a psychic that’s under scrutiny to put their failure down to performance anxiety.
I have to say I love your blog, and I like where you are coming from, I am a psychic and a medium, I have been since I was born. I have always questioned what I do and am my own skeptic, I feel that is why I have not been in theater for the simple reason I don’t feel that this sort of work can comfort people and help people if you are turning it into a show.
Some mediums see it as showcasing their talent, their abilities so as to provide proof that life goes on, so in fact what we end up with is the psychic or medium on stage becoming an ego fueled person. I don’t think it’s their fault at first but when the snow ball turns into an avalanche they must be pressured into continually becoming better and better. I would love to do a scientific test as i think it might help people in some way.
Darren: What are your abilities? You say you’re a medium, I don’t think that includes remote viewing, does it? Because that’s the easiest ability to test (I write something on a piece of paper, put that on my cupboard, you tell me what it says). I’d advise you to contact a local skeptics’ association, they’re often happy to help test psychic abilities.
sorry, I know this is unrelated but how can I get a permanent sign in with a picture? Thanks.
Msg from Abeo: To get your picture next to your blog comments across the internet you sign up for gravatar at http://en.gravatar.com/. It will then display you image alongside any blog comments you use that email address for.
Berber Anna,
I have more abilities than I even know, its all about understanding how to use them and control them.
As for the easiest test I think remote viewing isnt the easiest LOL, I have described peoples houses to them and talked to spirits that stand with them, when I have been on the other end of the phone. Even down to what colour and feel the curtains are to how many trees they have in the garden, I think the funniest was I told someone there was a brick in their garden at the bottom, and it had a certain date on it. The went down and bingo it was right. As for your note, I could tell you and you could change what was on there to make me look silly :-). But I am up for a test where it is fair. 🙂 bless you Berber Anna
Darren: I’d never change a note that’s used to test someone. As someone with autism, I can’t stand untruths, which is what that would be. But if you’re not up for notes, then sure, describe something for me. Let’s see… I have two display plates standing on my clothing cupboard. Tell me what picture is on the left one (as seen from the room). Do you need my address?
Just read this, and have to say, an amazing read.
I really have to agree on the conclusion that open mindedness is a term many people embrace too deeply.
I once read an amazing manga (alright. i’m a bit of a geek 🙂 called Liar Game, in which you follow a con artist / mentalist, and without getting too much into the story itself, I read a very interesting quote about the very issue of trust and doubt.
“People SHOULD be doubted. Many people misunderstand this concept. Doubting people is simply a part of getting to know them. What many people call “trust†is actually giving up on trying to understand others. Rather than “trustâ€, it is actually APATHY.â€
similarly, once you trust someone without questioning them or analyzing your relationship with them, they take up less space in your mind.
Inviting her to tough the lucky dog… you sly old…. dog.
Thanks Abeo!
Berber Anna, sorry you don’t see what I mean. You’re obviously not looking at the fact that some people are more sensitive than others. The point I was trying to make is that the insensitive destroy things without realizing it – hence hobnail boot damage. You for instance are less obviously aware than those who understood this point and didn’t comment.
As for the placebo effect – sick people don’t look after themselves and well people do. This is a reflection of their mental state: The inner reflects the outer – tidy house, tidy mind. It shows our emotional state of optimism leads to effort, to change our physical state – likewise with pessimism. Optimists do everything – pessimists do nothing because they believe nothing will work. Ask Stephen Fry about being bi-polar (up/down)
I think people who are introverted, get frightened of noise outside their heads, until they trace the sounds to their source in the world around them. If they don’t do this, they continue to think of the sounds as supernatural, instead of just natural. I noticed this with me when thinking and hearing sounds, leading me to question myself ‘What was that?’ Turning my attention outwards into the world and tracing the source of the noise, clarifies this.
Hm..i was suppose to comment and tell about this craazy dream i had, starring Derren Brown. But after reading all the “political correct” comments i changed my mind:)
But want to say that i love your shows! And keep up the mind-bothering work:)
Much love from Norway
Tony, the fact that people didn’t respond to your comment does not mean that they understood your metaphor — it may simply mean that they didn’t find it worth the effort of a response. And your metaphor still seems to imply that testing a psychic somehow harms or destroys them, which is a strange premise. Obviously, test conditions will need to rule out conscious or unconscious cheating, but other than that, efforts could be taken to make the psychic as comfortable as possible.
The placebo effect does not have to do with how well one looks after oneself. It is a measurable effect on the immune system and pain centres by the application of a ‘fake’ medication.
By the way, my house is pleasantly untidy, and I’m neither an optimist nor a pessimist. I consider myself a realist.
This is my favourite psychic fail ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRc4LkBRjIc&feature=related
“There’s being open-minded and there’s being so open minded that your brain falls out.” 🙂 Made me chuckle!
As an experiment, why doesn’t Daring Derren, take (wired up / monitored ) subjects to a sleep centre and attempt to wake them or alter their brain wave patterns, through pure will ( No touching, no sounds). It could also be broken up into light and heavy sleepers, for more interest.
Derren a shaman? Yes, even they use tricks to create the right atmosphere for inducing magic, in the same way that doctors create right conditions for healing.
a very interesting read 🙂
Willing to be tested
My step mother is into psychic stuff (along with a lot of other unproven stuff) and she actually thinks Derren Brown is pyschic, as he knows so much and reads people so well. Ironic!
Brilliant article Derren, I agree with you about the whole show thing and paid “apparant pyshics” going round doing this to people to be sketchy to say the least! However, I have had personal experiences with things, that i have forseen, which have never involved money, cold reading or hot reading, and in many of these experiences it would be totally inpossible for that to have occured anyway. I only wish there was a way to prove unexplained things of this nature. The problem I find, is these “apparant Psychics” that do all this and ask for money for it and faud people get on my wick even more so because I know the real stuff I have experienced and it makes it even more frustrating for someone like myself.
One thing I had forseen years ago saved my own life at the time, which is a prime example of A: How no money would be involved B: How there would be no cold reading or hot reading either. I know some things happen that are unexaplainable yes, but I have had quite a few experiences throughout my life of different things of this nature, which cannot be explained, and when you have “Apparant Psychics” like this that go around frauding people it makes a person even more annoyed. I know the phrase open-minded is totally overused, I totally get what you are saying, still, I am just that, I don’t ignore science and I dont ignore facts presented and evidence shown, I am not delusional, and if anything wish there to be some kind of test to show its real, but as I myself
know, these things come whenever they do, there is no set time nor knowing if you will get another one again, or even if indeed it is “Psyhich ability” it might well be something else that just has not name for all I know. But, still, how can you try to test something you don’t know may never occur again in your life? I understand what you are saying though and very much agree with your viewpoint.
I’ve just read the article about her suing her critics!!!!!!!! Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I was walking around claiming to do what she can do and getting money off people like that I would be like OK test me!!! Test me NOW!!!!!!!!! And after all the money she will have made out of people, and now she’s suing people?!?!!? Oh my days, it never ends!!! Outrageous!!
hi i will have read this today and would like to offer myself for any psychic test on the condition i don’t have publicity or money ,i was contacted by sally’s people about having a reading on tv when she found out who i was she cancelled , even though i am nobody any different its just i can use my psychic gift to help others that are mislead by all the fakes and money takers . give me a photo and ill tell you there name where thay are who took the picture etc and seal it in a box etc
basically i would like to take any test offerd to help understand that there are some real psychic out there but
uncanny as it is i dont know where to start looking for the right person or company to test me without me paying a arm and a leg
i wish to help not get paid thanks Paul