HERO – answers to a few questions
Lots of questions have come up about Hero so I thought I’d try and answer some of those I have come across. Thank you for all your comments and I’m pleased the show struck a chord.
You don’t say ‘no actors or stooges are used in this show’ – Was Matt an actor?
I didn’t give that old disclaimer because the show’s chock-full of actors, and quite openly so. I haven’t said that whenever actors are openly used: it wouldn’t make any sense and to qualify it would be convoluted and verbose. So instead we explain who Matt is and that he has no idea these things are going on or that he’s being filmed etc. These things cannot be lies, as aside from the repugnance of using ‘fake’ participants and how on earth you’d secure the silence of those who knew them in real life, it is a huge legal no-no. Every word of voice-over script and picture is analysed by the C4 lawyer to make sure there is no misleading the viewer. A magic trick is different: there is licence to deceive, and a sense of theatre, but even that nowadays is tricky. Its a moot point if you can even say ‘This is an ordinary pack of cards’ any more on UK TV if it isn’t. But in something like this, which is not presented as a trick, to pretend Matt was real, or ignorant of the process when he wasn’t, is simply not an option. Even if I wanted it to be, which I don’t. I have NEVER used a ‘stooge’ (someone playing along and pretending to be fooled etc) in 10 years of TV work, despite the protestations of people who are convinced there’s no other method to be employed.
Adam: On another note, how did Matt get away with not paying for taxi, and just a handshake?
A few people have asked this: I thought it was clear that we had sent the cab. And his life is being changed – some things like this didn’t seem worth spending a lot of time explaining through in detail. The cabbie played it to Matt as if he had just been booked, pre-paid and didn’t ask for any money at the end. Matt, with the idea in his head of breaking into a policeman’s house, took the bait of a free ride and went with it.
Graham: My Gf, a big non believer (but yet believes random psychics and mediums) found it hard to believe the sleeping but walking around stages – and stormed out. Could that be explained ? was it part hypnosis?
Ah, now if she had seen Enigma she’d have seen me do this every night on stage. It depends on how you define hypnosis, but yes, you can call it that. It’s really not a big deal if you understand the process and can be creative with it. As I said in the show, one feature of Matt’s personality one – an important one for me – is that he is suggestible. He wakes up, confused and responsive, hearing my voice in his room telling him he’s dreaming and still asleep. As long as the person is suggestible and already responsive to me (a fan, or an audience member at a stage show), it’s a very easy way of doing it. If he had come down more awake I would have shifted his state in the garden. I didn’t know for sure how he would react that first night, but we spoke to Liv the next morning and he had had no memory of the event. The second night was then even easier as he had learnt from the first night.
Chris: why in the ‘croc’ sequence was it raining your side and not Matt’s? Also, when his phone was stolen, and seeing he works in insurance, would he not have had to contact the real police to get a reference number for an insurance claim? And, really, he wore GStar pretty much every day for a month!
The brief, light shower that happened that night was a bit of a pain but ultimately looked so odd that we liked it for this dreamy sequence. It’s raining on both of us but I’m backlit and he’s not, so it’s much harder to see the rain on Matt. Rather than edit it out, or re-film anything, we thought it looked weird in a good way and left it. Matt’s phone was handed back to him after the petrol station sequence as if it had been found – obviously we couldn’t leave him without it or have him going to the real police. We were going to include this to answer precisely that question but when you’re trying to fit so much in you have to leave out what doesn’t directly tell the story. Equally, the ‘inspiring’ talk with the van driver was much longer – maybe 10 minutes or so – but that’s not something you can sit through on TV. Things get edited down. As for his clothing, yes, he wore what he wore. It was amusing to us too. He dresses much cooler than me so I can’t comment.
Ben: There was one moment when I thought you had gone a little senile, when you laid him across the train track,
Needless to say, this was all very controlled, unbeknownst to Matt, so there was no way he would have been hurt. What was important is that the fear was real to him.
Matt: i dont care what anyone says if you see smoke coming under a door you would not just sit there, you would at least try and get the attention of others in the room
Nope, this is a classic experiment. Have a Google for Bystander Experiment. The more people there, the less likely you are to take action. The research was triggered by a famous – (if now misrepresented case) – where lots of witnesses saw a woman raped and murdered in several stages and did nothing. Awful.
Penny: I watch all of your stuff on tv as i think your a total genius and would love to be involved so i sent off for an application form to take part in future shows and the reply back is just a trailer for Hero – help?
There has been a fake Facebook page posing as mine asking people to apply for future shows, but it has nothing to do with us. As with Hero, I make announcements here or on the Blog. (Or sometimes they’re done in papers without my name on and you don’t know you’re applying for my show…)
Andrew: just 2 things don’t quite add up. 1. If he was a bystander that never put himself forward for anything, why would he apply for a game show? and 2. Flight simulator graphics are not very good, it would be impossible to not notice your not flying a real plane…
Bystander behaviour is to do with how we behave in emergencies. Most people fall into the same pattern, regardless of what we do in the rest of life. As for the flight simulator, you’re wrong in this case. This is the latest in professional training sims and utterly convincing (particularly at the dusk setting which is why we timed the flight at dusk). They’re based at Southampton and if you want to pay about 20k an hour you should have a go. Don’t confuse them with noisy fairground sims.
Brett: He got on the plane it was bright sunshine…he landed it in pitch dark even though it was a short flight. Surely he would have thought that was a little strange?
It wasn’t as dark through the sim ‘window’ as it looked on TV. It was all around dusk, and the plane was in the air for quite a while before he would have entered the cockpit. You’ll see when we get off the plane with Matt in a wheelchair that it’s getting dark.
Ian: I was particularly struck by two movie references. When you talked to Matt in his garden and gave him the countdown, he goes to a golf course the next day…this is very similar to a scene from ‘Donnie Darko’ except that the main character actually wakes up on a golf course after being given his countdown while in a dream-like state. The second was of course ‘Fight Club’ in which Tyler Durden pretends to hold up a convenience store employee in order to shock him into pursuing what he really wants to do with his life. Were those parts of ‘Hero’ inspired by these movies?
And then some. The Game, even Watchmen were in there. All big inspirations – especially Fight Club and (for one core speech) Watchmen. Iain and I who devised the show were all very chuffed when Matt came into the garden in a hoodie… pure Donnie.
B: I’m an Airline Pilot for a living and can say the timing between landing that aircraft and getting to the simulator hall where those simulators are base is a long stretch. The cabin crew in the shots had time to change clothes, as did Derron. The sim cued up etc. I just can’t buy into it…would require the guy to be tranqualised no hypnotised due to the length of journey and disruption… other irregularities. A lot of them in the simulator.
Not sure what you mean. That wasn’t live – plenty of time elapsed between the two, with Matt soundly asleep. We were waiting for quite a while in fact for the sim to be fully ready, following problems that day. As for how long he can be hypnotised, the longest I’ve kept someone under was 13 hours on and off a plane to Marrakech for a previous show. Perfectly doable. Matt was looked after in shifts by me, Iain and a paremedic who stayed with us at all times. Both Matt and the Marrakech guy were taken off to the loo at one point, and woke up just a little and for long enough to do that, and then straight back to sleep with no awareness of having done that. They key is to get someone who sleeps deeply at night. Once in the sim he was talked down authentically by a real air traffic controller, and gained in confidence as he went along, although it all took a lot longer than the few minutes that section was shrunk down to in the show. So you’re seeing an edited version in the sim, so yes, it doesn’t reflect real time.
Claire: I wasnt conviced a guy like ‘Matt’ would actually enter the police officer’s ‘home’ … and not wonder about an alarm system.
He may have done, I don’t know. But at some level his unconscious would have felt it was the ‘right’ thing to do, as you’ll remember I had laid it all in during the night with the crocodile. So I was counting on it feeling somehow right to him. This was about the level of influence that I could have: always leaving it to him to make the decisions, but planting the idea to nudge him in that direction or making an idea appealing. If people don’t understand why he did these things, then they have missed that point.
Jon: the way Matt found himself getting into the ‘situations’ and how he got out of them was very contrived and controlled. And because we didn’t get to see them, we naturally doubt them.
Sure. Of course, a large part of what I do is magic tricks, so some people are going to be suspicious. In my mind there’s a huge difference between performing a trick and doing something like Hero, but that might just be me. A trick is supposed to be a trick, and something like Hero has to be real or else it’s pointless. The situations are of course set up, as openly described in the show, and secretly filmed, but Matt had no idea and could make what choices he liked. I was able to steer him in a loose direction and massage his thinking towards certain ideas, but that was all: they had to be his decisions. The amount of work in securing his well-being without him knowing (the constant checks with work and home and foreseeing every eventuality) would have made a documentary in itself. The lengths we went to to preserve Matt’s experience and make it totally genuine for him were massive. At another level, the technical side was fantastic: the tiny cameras hidden in buttons and so on we needed to film and cover everything the aeroplane, for example, were numerous and extraordinary, as was the airport’s involvement in making the check-in normal for everyone, even though the plane wasn’t really flying to Jersey as it said on the departure board. It was far more involved than, say, the Heist, and some people thought that was all fake too. There’s only so much we can explain without the show slowing down: it’s supposed after all to be entertainment. We could have explained more detail in places, but ultimately you have to find a balance that most people are happy with in the crammed time you have. Again though, it’s simply not an option to have him play along or use an actor, fake the show and then mislead UK TV viewers into thinking it was real.
Mark: You gotta dig deep to understand this and most of Derren’s work. He makes it happen, but ‘how?’ is what you keep asking until you understand how… and without thinking ‘it was setup’ or ‘the person was a stooge’ as thinking any of those two things is wrong. Well you could say ‘setup’ is partially correct if you think in terms of Derren made it all happen (which means there was a setup behind it but not that kind of setup that says Derren just told him what to do.)
Yes, I’d say that was about right and nicely put. Matt’s journey had to be absolutely real, but obviously I’m tinkering in all areas where he isn’t aware to make sure it happens to plan as much as is possible. That’s very different from it being a big hoax or fake. Some can’t or won’t see that, and it’s fine.
How is Matt now?
Excellent. He’s sorting a mortgage and looking at career options. And I’m sure he’d tell you he’s a changed man – certainly in the time I’ve known him he’s transformed and those around him have very movingly attested to this. He was understandably disappointed to have some people simply, joylessly, refuse to believe any of such a powerful personal journey, but the response has been so overwhelmingly positive, and obviously his work colleagues and everyone around him are very excited and he’s buzzing.
As you may know, this has been my favourite show to work on – most ambitious, most involved, most demanding and by far the most joyful. I consider it my fondest and best, and it was a privilege to be part of it and to get to know Matt.
I hope this answers enough questions. I’m sure not all of them, but thank you for posting.
best – dx
Will there be an extended version of the program available on DVD or at altar stage on More4 which goes into more of the background on how you chose Matt over all the other candidates?
Lovely, certainly cleared a lot of things up for me! 😀 Thanks!
Your dedication knows no bounds. Let’s look forward to the next show!
I love it when db does shows like this one, and the trick or teat ones. Don’t get me wrong the tricks of the mind and all the other ones are great, but these other ones actually change people’s lives and their future outlook on events to come. To me.. its truly amazing to watch the participant experience the end result, it changes them. I will always remember the outcome of the girl who was put in a bag and thrown in a lake. Truly amazing stuff.
Now if i could only get these shows in the US. :p
Absolutly brilliant show, well done derren you did it again!! Can’t wait to see more!! Good luck xx
Thanks for posting that Derren. I do have one Question though….
It obvious that a lot of work was put into ‘Hero’ and i thoroughly enjoyed watching it! 😀
I may have even taking something from it, but we’ll see …. xx
“That’s very different from it being a big hoax or fake. Some can’t or won’t see that, and it’s fine.”
I spent some time today at work answering just these questions from people who dismissed ‘Hero’ as an out-and-out fake. I shall point them to this list of answers on Monday. They did insist that it was all a scripted entertainment with Matt as the central actor who learned his lines and movement; they also dismissed the idea that both DB and his team would have spent weeks planning and managing the experiences that Matt genuinely had.
Matt was offered choices outside of his daily life and his choosing created the drama. The emotional attractiveness of uncertainty and the beneficial pay-off when choosing to leave one’s comfort zone is central to the enjoyment of ‘Hero’.
I didn’t think he was an actor because it was the only answer to what happened – I completely believe people with suggestible personalities can be hypnotized – I thouhgt he was an actor purely from the way he…acted. He didn’t seem to react in a believable way, the bit where he first saw the jack-in-the-box particularly felt like he was acting up to a camera.
Well doen Derren for being”brave” to face up to questions/doubts about your art. Sad that you had to do so. Is striking TV so rare these days it has to be fake?]}Any date for Enigma broadcast and next round of “fake” cries lol.
*Excuse the typos* :/
derren, would just like say that all your shows are mind-blowing. i for one believe its al true, its obvious you will have your doubters and thats because that the other night took 30 days to film and you had to condense it into just over an hour.
it was amazing show and made me think alot about my life and im the same as matt and just wish someone could put me through all of that to make me a better person and more outgoing.
hope to hear back from you. thanks
Derren, im sorry you’ve had to explain yourself you shouldn’t need to.
Excellent Show, Well done to both you & Matt
I thank you that you take your time to explain everything! Not many Illusionists or performers of any kind take the time to answer questions of the public. in detail as you did!
It was once more a great and inspiring show.
Regards from Switzerland 😉
Excellent read Derren. Sadly a lot of my friends thought the show was fake and that Matt was an actor, even after I tried to explain what you have here – that it was set up to an extent in which Matt’s inner thoughts can be swayed into believing he is stronger and braver than he believes, which is exactly what you accomplished. Sadly some people will never accept or understand the concepts of entertainment TV, unless they experience for themselves what Matt did. Needless to say, for those of us who do believe in your work, your show brought much hope and inspiration. Keep up the great work!
Great answers, Derren. Of course I didn’t doubt the show but it’s great that you clarified all these niggles people had. I’ll happily relay some of these answers along to people I know with doubts.
It was a fascinating show. But the simulator thing was all out of order. One second the autopilot is switched on and set to 3000ft. Next second, the computer is shouting out “twenty five hundred” to inform the pilot that the plane is at 2500ft, and the next second, the ATC guy is telling Matt to locate the altitude setting of 30,000ft and turn it down to 3,000ft!
Mr. Brown, I want to thank you for this excellent piece of television. I agree that this was your best special ever. This was where your experience, showmanship and talent comes together. Hope to see you in Holland one day. You have a lot of fans here.
Liked it very much!
Greetz from Holland
Hello, great show (as always!)
My boyfriend and I want to know what was on the piece of paper stuck in the window of Matt’s house – it seemed to make him change his mind about going in at one point, and going to write instead.
I think it was important, he thinks it was a note for the milkman!
Who is right???
Sarah
-x-
Hi Derren, Hero was a genius idea and I loved every minute of it, thank you! What made you think of doing it?
Yeah, that clears things up a lot 🙂
The show was amazing, and it’s made me think a lot about my life too – especially the bit where you said “right now, this second, we’re living the only life we have”. I joined a “learn Italian” course today just because of that show, as that’s something I’ve wanted to do for ages but never done anything about.
Thanks Derren!
DERREN I LOVE YOU. 🙂 I saw enigma – and was chosen for the part of the show where a participant was put into a hypnotic state – and everyone after the show asked me if i had been placed there for the show and was just playing along – but it was all completly real! I was in a sort-of trance like state and after i had woken up i sort of remembered doing the things but i didn’t…the only was i can explain is that it is like just being woken up from a dream but the things that you did don’t seem real they sort of seem like you dreamed them…I do sleep walk qute a bit and when i wake up in the morning i remembered really faintly some of the things which i have done but them seem so much like a dream i can never be sure! So i have to ask other people. I think Derren is genuinely amazing!! xxx
i love all your shows! although i made my friend watch a show and now she makes me do one thing everyday that i would normally back out of 🙁 i wish i was as good at art as you are! all your work rocks! 🙂
Thanks for answering those questions, some of them things that I had wondered also. I fest totally inspired and moved to tears watching it – some true words of astounding wisdom. Thank you!
Fantastic answers. Loved the show. 😀
Think in a way it is a shame that some people can’t accept that you are very good at your ‘job’, that you studied hard to perfect your career and have to alwaystry and put it down to ‘it’s faked’. Ever since I was little and watched people like Paul Daniels, Lance Burton et al. I have been facinated with magic and illusion. I used to watch tricks over and over trying to work out how it was done. Then bought books upon books trying to learn the secrets. Then I thought no that will ruin the trick, but found I enjoyed them more as I knew the details behind the trick and was more impressed when I still couldn’t see it done.
Then Derren came along with a new kind of ‘illusion’ a new show of mind over matter, tricks of the mind. Yet when you look into how they are done it is a lot easier on cont
I think the more behind-the-scenes footage you release, the better! Get it on YouTube or something 🙂
By the by, I don’t think you can complain if people are extremely skeptical of everything you do now. Recently, you have straight out lied to viewers when explaining how things were achieved (reminds me – I must buy a lottery ticket).
This also makes your claim about the legality of misleading viewers confusing…I’ve never seen you do a ‘traditional’ magic trick on TV, but a lot of your material is based on disguising magic tricks as other things. I’m not sure how this fits in with the lawyers’ definition of what’s misleading and what isn’t.
Saying that, I’m a big fan and loved Hero. Best of luck with future projects!
I was all geared up to be all analytical and ask more questions but you know what, I just love what you do.
There will always be people who just don’t get it but as someone who’s had direct experience of your mind fiddling skillz I can safely say that you are the bollocks.
🙂 x
some than a magic trick. Most of it is basic psychology. being able to read a person like a book. Know the right words to say to people and how to say them to get the people to do what you want them to do. Very much like a cult leader. They know how to ‘control’ people yet people don’t say it was all faked when there is a mass suicide at some wacko cult range.
Give Derren a break and just enjoy what he does. And Derren keep up the good work, you are very inspiring.
I think it’s such a shame that due to people’s inability to just enjoy something they don’t understand that it has to be explained to them. I’ve been following you (not in a stalker-ish way, that would just be weird) since 2000 – I love what you do, am blown away by your intelligence and am ultimately amazed at the power of the human mind. It annoys me that people just label stuff ‘fake’ because they can’t explain it themselves – if they’d read your books or watched your TV shows they’d know you even tell people how things are done (to a degree), not that I could do what you do, obviously! I for one loved every minute of this show and I also think it’s the best thing you’ve done. I’m very much looking forward to the tour – I’ll be the one trying to catch the Frisbee! Cx
The one big question for me that hasn’t been tackled yet is how will he ever be able to apply for the police force now that he has been seen on national TV illegally entering someone’s home and stealing a van load of party gear?
Thanks for that. I think a lot of us did not make the connection about why he would behave so atypically in the policeman’s house – we did hear you saying he should visualise what’s like to be a policeman living in a policeman’s house but this didn’t really prepare us for the idea of him essentially trespassing in one, which is different to imagining one’s own future. You must have done a lot more work on that set of suggestions than was apparent, so some narrative about your intentions here might have helped.
Thanks for explaining it though – I hope the comment helps.
Quick questions — and I apologise if these was answered in the programme:
Who was the person in pilot’s uniform sitting next to Matt in the simulator? I assume it was the “co-pilot”; but then, why would Matt have to do the landing? Not that it matters much, it is simply something that I wondered.
Secondly, what was the back-up plan in case Matt didn’t take up on the offer of helping the passengers? Bar from landing as normal, etc, what would be substituted instead of the live simulator scene?
(Also, is an extended cut on E4 a possibility in the future?)
Regards,
Douglas
Thanks for the answers. I’m going to show this to as many doubters as possible, which luckily isn’t that many! One of my friends has watched this twice, and each time came to me saying it was amazing. I agree with her. It was great. Not just great, but truly indescribable in the way it affected me. I hope matt understands that his journey has changed the lives of others too, including me. It was the craziest and most beautiful thing I’ve watched – apart from Inception! But this was real life, so I guess it was right up there! But really. Words can’t describe.
I just have one unanswered question.
when you pressed the button at the end, did you mean that there’s going to be another episode in 30 days? I don’t mind about whether there is or not, I’m just curious. And I understand you’re shooting Science of Attraction, so I was just wondering.
But yeah, just a huge thanks for changing my life. I swear to myself I’m going to meet you.
okay..its maddening to be a fan.. follow the blog.. and read all of the info.. without having seen the show.
Apparently, its hard to find when you live in the US. And.. the online version is even blocked in our area.
Suggestions ? Heck.. I cant even purchase a copy of Evening of Wonders….argh
I liked how you incorporated Donnie Darko into it (one of my all time favourite films, even though I still don’t quite understand it after I’ve watched it and read up about it so many times). I’ve seen all your shows (and even managed to catch your Enigma tour last year) and you amaze me every time. I still can’t get my head around the hypnosis though, especially in Hero when Matt was ‘under’ for such a long time and didn’t know what was happening.
I am also pleased to hear that Matt is doing so well and taking positive steps in his life. Wishing all my best to him.
I really enjoyed the show, it was great. I really liked Matt and he should definitely pursue his dreams of becoming a police officer.
You reminded me that every single second of my life is precious, and I’m not going to regret any of it.
Thank you so much!(:
xx
A remarkable show and for me no questions need asking or indeed answering. The more I don’t know or the more I try to rationalise things then the deeper I fall in love with it. For me that is the one single drug that keeps me hooked. Put it this way, if it wasn’t so great then nobody would question it, and that my friend is the single biggest compliment anyone can ever pay you and your work. I look forward to the next step. Best x
Watching Matt overcome his fear of flying made me wonder if Derren would be open to working with other kinds of ‘disorders’ like anorexia, social phobia, substance abuse, etcetera.
You didnt answer my question about if you could extend your next tour to include smaller towns so i can get an autographed shoe!
Derren i love you x
Well I thought the show was brilliant, and I really don’t understand just how people can think it was a fix when Derren was so honest about everything throughout it. I especially liked the camera shot of the rain over the field.
I thought the whole thing was excellent. From a viewing standpoint it’s enough to make me (and I assume, quite a few others) take a step back and have a look at how we are living our lives. Wether or not the show was real or fake and I don’t think for a second it was fake, it’s the meaning behind it all I enjoyed.
I’ve watched it twice.
Oh and nearly cried at how proud Derren was.
Haha!
Love
Robert x
you’re a genius Derren we loved the show I had a tear in my eye at the end seeing what the power of a little self belief will do for you, good for you for reminding people (including me) that we all have the power to make the changes we need to to improve our lives!!! Utterly Brilliant!!!
oh wow. I always beleived that that was geniuine regardless of all the editting etc.
Personally the only part i wasn’t sure about was at the train track, i just didn’t see Matt panic as much i would have. I dont know, maybe because he knew he was with Derren Brown who would for certain keep him alive. But I think C4 should give you permission to make the show atleast 90mins, Id be happy to sit infront of the tv for that long :]
Oh one last question: The timer at the end, is that motiviation for us to change our paths or ….is there really going to be another epsiode?
Loved the show. However i do have one question, Why Matt would have been more curious as to why none of the air hotesses could not help to land the plane. Surely in that situation it would have made more sense to have a member of staff landing the plane rather than a member of the public with a fear of flying??.
Also if landing a plane does help to get rid of a fear of flying, what helps to get rid of a fear of escalators??
xxx
I have to say I think your absolutly amazing to watch I find it mind blowing. Would love to come and watch a show or something. Think hero was. One of ur best. Was sceptical at first wen I first watched your shows but there are many unexplained things and things we could never understand and we are bound to question. Great show
Thank you Derren for this. Since the show was on I’ve had a tough time trying to explain to all of my friends and family that none of this was false. In my opinion, most people are intimidated by your genius and so have to find holes to try and explain it to themselves as otherwise they would not understand. I love you, man! x
Derren, saw you in manchester for the enigma tour and you were fantastic. And again you never failed to impress this time round either. Keep up the great work…Telephone, sausage, monkey, button, book…Ring a bell? Read your book three years ago and still remember the list lol all the best. Mike
Excellent show! I loved every minute of it, completely different to any of your other stuff, and it was lovely to see Matt gradually changing into a different, but better person, whilst seeing you doing what you do so well Derren. 🙂
hey derren.
when you say someone ealses countdown starts now and you puss the button, are you acctually going to put someone through a similar process and make another show out of it?
please reply.
thank you! 😀
-will