HERO – answers to a few questions
Lots of questions have come up about Hero so I thought I’d try and answer some of those I have come across. Thank you for all your comments and I’m pleased the show struck a chord.
You don’t say ‘no actors or stooges are used in this show’ – Was Matt an actor?
I didn’t give that old disclaimer because the show’s chock-full of actors, and quite openly so. I haven’t said that whenever actors are openly used: it wouldn’t make any sense and to qualify it would be convoluted and verbose. So instead we explain who Matt is and that he has no idea these things are going on or that he’s being filmed etc. These things cannot be lies, as aside from the repugnance of using ‘fake’ participants and how on earth you’d secure the silence of those who knew them in real life, it is a huge legal no-no. Every word of voice-over script and picture is analysed by the C4 lawyer to make sure there is no misleading the viewer. A magic trick is different: there is licence to deceive, and a sense of theatre, but even that nowadays is tricky. Its a moot point if you can even say ‘This is an ordinary pack of cards’ any more on UK TV if it isn’t. But in something like this, which is not presented as a trick, to pretend Matt was real, or ignorant of the process when he wasn’t, is simply not an option. Even if I wanted it to be, which I don’t. I have NEVER used a ‘stooge’ (someone playing along and pretending to be fooled etc) in 10 years of TV work, despite the protestations of people who are convinced there’s no other method to be employed.
Adam: On another note, how did Matt get away with not paying for taxi, and just a handshake?
A few people have asked this: I thought it was clear that we had sent the cab. And his life is being changed – some things like this didn’t seem worth spending a lot of time explaining through in detail. The cabbie played it to Matt as if he had just been booked, pre-paid and didn’t ask for any money at the end. Matt, with the idea in his head of breaking into a policeman’s house, took the bait of a free ride and went with it.
Graham: My Gf, a big non believer (but yet believes random psychics and mediums) found it hard to believe the sleeping but walking around stages – and stormed out. Could that be explained ? was it part hypnosis?
Ah, now if she had seen Enigma she’d have seen me do this every night on stage. It depends on how you define hypnosis, but yes, you can call it that. It’s really not a big deal if you understand the process and can be creative with it. As I said in the show, one feature of Matt’s personality one – an important one for me – is that he is suggestible. He wakes up, confused and responsive, hearing my voice in his room telling him he’s dreaming and still asleep. As long as the person is suggestible and already responsive to me (a fan, or an audience member at a stage show), it’s a very easy way of doing it. If he had come down more awake I would have shifted his state in the garden. I didn’t know for sure how he would react that first night, but we spoke to Liv the next morning and he had had no memory of the event. The second night was then even easier as he had learnt from the first night.
Chris: why in the ‘croc’ sequence was it raining your side and not Matt’s? Also, when his phone was stolen, and seeing he works in insurance, would he not have had to contact the real police to get a reference number for an insurance claim? And, really, he wore GStar pretty much every day for a month!
The brief, light shower that happened that night was a bit of a pain but ultimately looked so odd that we liked it for this dreamy sequence. It’s raining on both of us but I’m backlit and he’s not, so it’s much harder to see the rain on Matt. Rather than edit it out, or re-film anything, we thought it looked weird in a good way and left it. Matt’s phone was handed back to him after the petrol station sequence as if it had been found – obviously we couldn’t leave him without it or have him going to the real police. We were going to include this to answer precisely that question but when you’re trying to fit so much in you have to leave out what doesn’t directly tell the story. Equally, the ‘inspiring’ talk with the van driver was much longer – maybe 10 minutes or so – but that’s not something you can sit through on TV. Things get edited down. As for his clothing, yes, he wore what he wore. It was amusing to us too. He dresses much cooler than me so I can’t comment.
Ben: There was one moment when I thought you had gone a little senile, when you laid him across the train track,
Needless to say, this was all very controlled, unbeknownst to Matt, so there was no way he would have been hurt. What was important is that the fear was real to him.
Matt: i dont care what anyone says if you see smoke coming under a door you would not just sit there, you would at least try and get the attention of others in the room
Nope, this is a classic experiment. Have a Google for Bystander Experiment. The more people there, the less likely you are to take action. The research was triggered by a famous – (if now misrepresented case) – where lots of witnesses saw a woman raped and murdered in several stages and did nothing. Awful.
Penny: I watch all of your stuff on tv as i think your a total genius and would love to be involved so i sent off for an application form to take part in future shows and the reply back is just a trailer for Hero – help?
There has been a fake Facebook page posing as mine asking people to apply for future shows, but it has nothing to do with us. As with Hero, I make announcements here or on the Blog. (Or sometimes they’re done in papers without my name on and you don’t know you’re applying for my show…)
Andrew: just 2 things don’t quite add up. 1. If he was a bystander that never put himself forward for anything, why would he apply for a game show? and 2. Flight simulator graphics are not very good, it would be impossible to not notice your not flying a real plane…
Bystander behaviour is to do with how we behave in emergencies. Most people fall into the same pattern, regardless of what we do in the rest of life. As for the flight simulator, you’re wrong in this case. This is the latest in professional training sims and utterly convincing (particularly at the dusk setting which is why we timed the flight at dusk). They’re based at Southampton and if you want to pay about 20k an hour you should have a go. Don’t confuse them with noisy fairground sims.
Brett: He got on the plane it was bright sunshine…he landed it in pitch dark even though it was a short flight. Surely he would have thought that was a little strange?
It wasn’t as dark through the sim ‘window’ as it looked on TV. It was all around dusk, and the plane was in the air for quite a while before he would have entered the cockpit. You’ll see when we get off the plane with Matt in a wheelchair that it’s getting dark.
Ian: I was particularly struck by two movie references. When you talked to Matt in his garden and gave him the countdown, he goes to a golf course the next day…this is very similar to a scene from ‘Donnie Darko’ except that the main character actually wakes up on a golf course after being given his countdown while in a dream-like state. The second was of course ‘Fight Club’ in which Tyler Durden pretends to hold up a convenience store employee in order to shock him into pursuing what he really wants to do with his life. Were those parts of ‘Hero’ inspired by these movies?
And then some. The Game, even Watchmen were in there. All big inspirations – especially Fight Club and (for one core speech) Watchmen. Iain and I who devised the show were all very chuffed when Matt came into the garden in a hoodie… pure Donnie.
B: I’m an Airline Pilot for a living and can say the timing between landing that aircraft and getting to the simulator hall where those simulators are base is a long stretch. The cabin crew in the shots had time to change clothes, as did Derron. The sim cued up etc. I just can’t buy into it…would require the guy to be tranqualised no hypnotised due to the length of journey and disruption… other irregularities. A lot of them in the simulator.
Not sure what you mean. That wasn’t live – plenty of time elapsed between the two, with Matt soundly asleep. We were waiting for quite a while in fact for the sim to be fully ready, following problems that day. As for how long he can be hypnotised, the longest I’ve kept someone under was 13 hours on and off a plane to Marrakech for a previous show. Perfectly doable. Matt was looked after in shifts by me, Iain and a paremedic who stayed with us at all times. Both Matt and the Marrakech guy were taken off to the loo at one point, and woke up just a little and for long enough to do that, and then straight back to sleep with no awareness of having done that. They key is to get someone who sleeps deeply at night. Once in the sim he was talked down authentically by a real air traffic controller, and gained in confidence as he went along, although it all took a lot longer than the few minutes that section was shrunk down to in the show. So you’re seeing an edited version in the sim, so yes, it doesn’t reflect real time.
Claire: I wasnt conviced a guy like ‘Matt’ would actually enter the police officer’s ‘home’ … and not wonder about an alarm system.
He may have done, I don’t know. But at some level his unconscious would have felt it was the ‘right’ thing to do, as you’ll remember I had laid it all in during the night with the crocodile. So I was counting on it feeling somehow right to him. This was about the level of influence that I could have: always leaving it to him to make the decisions, but planting the idea to nudge him in that direction or making an idea appealing. If people don’t understand why he did these things, then they have missed that point.
Jon: the way Matt found himself getting into the ‘situations’ and how he got out of them was very contrived and controlled. And because we didn’t get to see them, we naturally doubt them.
Sure. Of course, a large part of what I do is magic tricks, so some people are going to be suspicious. In my mind there’s a huge difference between performing a trick and doing something like Hero, but that might just be me. A trick is supposed to be a trick, and something like Hero has to be real or else it’s pointless. The situations are of course set up, as openly described in the show, and secretly filmed, but Matt had no idea and could make what choices he liked. I was able to steer him in a loose direction and massage his thinking towards certain ideas, but that was all: they had to be his decisions. The amount of work in securing his well-being without him knowing (the constant checks with work and home and foreseeing every eventuality) would have made a documentary in itself. The lengths we went to to preserve Matt’s experience and make it totally genuine for him were massive. At another level, the technical side was fantastic: the tiny cameras hidden in buttons and so on we needed to film and cover everything the aeroplane, for example, were numerous and extraordinary, as was the airport’s involvement in making the check-in normal for everyone, even though the plane wasn’t really flying to Jersey as it said on the departure board. It was far more involved than, say, the Heist, and some people thought that was all fake too. There’s only so much we can explain without the show slowing down: it’s supposed after all to be entertainment. We could have explained more detail in places, but ultimately you have to find a balance that most people are happy with in the crammed time you have. Again though, it’s simply not an option to have him play along or use an actor, fake the show and then mislead UK TV viewers into thinking it was real.
Mark: You gotta dig deep to understand this and most of Derren’s work. He makes it happen, but ‘how?’ is what you keep asking until you understand how… and without thinking ‘it was setup’ or ‘the person was a stooge’ as thinking any of those two things is wrong. Well you could say ‘setup’ is partially correct if you think in terms of Derren made it all happen (which means there was a setup behind it but not that kind of setup that says Derren just told him what to do.)
Yes, I’d say that was about right and nicely put. Matt’s journey had to be absolutely real, but obviously I’m tinkering in all areas where he isn’t aware to make sure it happens to plan as much as is possible. That’s very different from it being a big hoax or fake. Some can’t or won’t see that, and it’s fine.
How is Matt now?
Excellent. He’s sorting a mortgage and looking at career options. And I’m sure he’d tell you he’s a changed man – certainly in the time I’ve known him he’s transformed and those around him have very movingly attested to this. He was understandably disappointed to have some people simply, joylessly, refuse to believe any of such a powerful personal journey, but the response has been so overwhelmingly positive, and obviously his work colleagues and everyone around him are very excited and he’s buzzing.
As you may know, this has been my favourite show to work on – most ambitious, most involved, most demanding and by far the most joyful. I consider it my fondest and best, and it was a privilege to be part of it and to get to know Matt.
I hope this answers enough questions. I’m sure not all of them, but thank you for posting.
best – dx
You are awesome, especially for the awesome fight club nod. How on earth did you stop anyone else popping in for petrol??
Anyway, brilliant show.
I think what Derren did in his latest show was remarkable. He’s inspired people to empower themselves and see that there is more to life than the herd mentality and being consumed by your own fears and insecurities, that all of us have the potential to make our experience of life better by becomming better people, and living life in the present. His shows have increasingly been introducing certain open-minded concepts and possibilities, in what I would consider much needed times. I personally found it inspirational – its just a shame that some people won’t notice, let alone appreciate what he has done on a larger scale.
Actor or no actor, the show has a moral point and this is that human beings are capable of far more than we think we are. The show portrayed this point brilliantly. At the end of the day, it a ‘show’ and is therefore of entertainment as well as educational value. People should watch Derren’s programs and read his books with an open but critical mind and not be so quick to cry fake. In my mind, Derren is a ‘Hero’ of TV these days, especially if you compare this program to the likes of Eastender’s.
What about the Jack in the box ? Why didn`t that make him suspicious ?
You answered a question about movie references to Hero…
What speech in watchmen are you talking about, i was just wondering.
Also do you enjoy the film V for Vendetta as it is one of my favorite films.
Big fan
Sam Aces Lukic
Your the real Hero Derren! 🙂 (had to be said)
It amazes me that despite all the times you clearly state that you dont use actors or stooges that people still question whether or not it was set up.
The first time i saw the advertisement for Hero at 30,000 feet i got extremly exited and slightly amazed at how your shows are still impressing me before ive even seen them!.
Cant wait to see the next show, just a shame that its so far away. Im extremly inpatient 😀
Ed, I cried too, and probably for the same reason of identifying with Matt. I just found it very intense and emotional.
derren started a new timer at the end of the show. So will there be a new show?
Derren – you’re a legend! Love all your shows but this was the best yet; I was on the edge of my seat willing him to land the plane then after I just wanted to get in on that group-hug – well done Matt!
Ha i just watched Watchmen and it was pretty clear which speak you refereed to.
Sam Aces Lukic
To me it seems obvious that Derren would never fake something like this.
One cannot be against the “psychic” industry for making money off of an elaborate con, while making money by tricking people into believing a fake narrative, without being the most horrible sort of hypocrite. I think it’s fairly safe to say that anyone so opposed to the spreading of lies will not be so fickle as to create such an elaborate one themselves.
Or maybe his whole “deception is wrong!” stance is an elaborate act to make us dismiss the possibility of him being a part of a massive lie… (that’s the thing with paranoia; when faced with strong evidence against you, you simply convince yourself that the conspiracy must be even better planned out than you had anticipated! cognitive dissonance theory anyone?)
I absolutely loved the show, I found it so inspiring, I work as a counsellor and this is what my work is about helping people to recognise their full potential to enable them to grow. In Therapy that can take a long time sometimes years, its a privilege to be part of somebodies journey. I’ve experienced hypnotherapy and EFT in the past and found them to be really helpful and for years now I’ve thought about training in hypnotherapy to enhance my counselling work, the show has convinced me even more that, that’s a path I’m going to take.
Well done Derren I think your fantastic and very talented, but what stand out most for me is your genuine caring for the person your working with.
LInda x
I feel desperately sorry for those people who can’t accept that this was real – they only have their sense of smugness and negativity to get them through this life, how bleak. As with all of the shows I’ve seen both live and on TV, I am left speechless at the skill and artistry DB displays. In this case though it warmed the cockles to see how affected Derren was himself by the outcome. I’m so glad to be living in a time where there are rational experts who have a dash of the folk hero about them – Dawkins, Brian Cox, etc etc and DB himself. Love him, loved the show and look forward to many more.
Got to say, that was my least favourite DB special to date. Convoluted, too many things that were just not right, not enough wow.
Keep up the good work though.
I really enjoyed the show and as someone who has studied both magic and hypnosis really enjoy your work and think if not for derren illusion would be lost. I now work for the firer service and the experiment with the person sat and smoke coming in relates back to a fire in the eighties in woolworths I believe where people were queuing in the restaurant and didn’t leave as they hadn’t paid for their bill I show several videos of this experiment that have been done by psycologists and it all depends on the type of person how we re-act but the pack mentality takes over unfortunately nobody wants to be the first to act. To be able to change someone in such a positive direction through your work is amazing I’m sure there is no end to where you could go with this unfortunately it is a shame we have such restrictions with tv and stage performing
I think Derren and the production team miscalculated this one. It is vital for the success of this kind of show that the viewer accepts the reality (genuineness) of what is being presented. Otherwise, as Derren says, it is all pointless. The mistake was in making much of the show just too unbelievable. It is therefore not surprising that many people will simply dismiss it all as having been staged using actors and stooges. As a sceptic himself, Derren should understand, and not be surprised, when people are sceptical about his own work.
Mike
Thanks for the post Derren. I personally think the show was a great success and I enjoyed the journey immensely. For those that doubt the techniques and behaviours, simply read through a few of the books that Derren recommends on the website. The experiments (such as the The Bystander Experiment) are well documented and in a lot of cases, very shocking. I enjoyed Influence – The Psychology of Persuasion as it is very accessible. It amuses me that there has been such an uproar about this special. I think perhaps human behaviour is more astonishing than we really give it credit for. May I suggest perhaps an section on the DVD that goes into more of the preparation. For those who believe no explanation is neccassary, for those who do not, none will suffice (Dunninger)!
Thank you for taking the time to write all that and I’m sorry you felt you needed to. Fitting 30 days into 70 minutes is always going to leave holes but it seems a lot of people have examined their life as a result and some of them are making changes because of you. So, you win! As for the doubters – I did some fundraising recently using justgiving and as I was publicising it online, some strangers (in every sense of the word) questioned whether I was going to keep the money for myself, whether I would even do the event, even one person wishing for injury for me, totally slating it even though they know nothing about me. Totally demoralising and crushing until you realise there are always people who get joy from putting others down. They mean nothing so please don’t let them touch your heart here.
I think it was a beautiful thing to do for someone and I wish this could be a regular series. I’d much prefer ‘good deed TV’ than the chavvy lowest common denominator bullying TV that was born of Big Brother and fed to us over the last 10 years. Brilliant Idea.
anyone who thinks it’s fake is just silly!
Derren u r amazing!!! i think i need u in my life! Keep being you, you r brilliant
Thank you Derren,
You truly are the most lovely and intelligent person on tv. Some people don’t understand what you do, and how or why you do it, and they might think it’s fake, and I must say, those people are missing out. You’ve inspired me to take up Psychology, so I can understand people better, and I wish you all the best with the next show =)
Much, much love to you Derren, keep up the good work.
loved this last show, matt’s journey is amazing and i am thoroughly jelous!!! i work in a supermarket and i get so bored, any ideas how i could accuratly predict the price of people shopping, i never get it right and its terribly frustrating, or any other games i could play while im sitting there slowly dying lol Jx
Brilliant! Thank you Derren fo a wonderful show. You somehow managed to re-enforce a thought that I had had for some time now, that given enough time anyone, barring any mental or physical disability, is just as able to do anything as anyone else, what stops them is a lack of self belief. This show showed that perfectly, maybe people will start to listen to me now! 🙂
Absolutely loved the show! You done so much for Matt. Changed his life! If I ever meet you in a bar, drinks are on me good sir!
I’m curious about this point Derren, did you have a back-up? If Matt had not volunteered, were you working on someone else like Matt concurrently in case he didn’t go for it? I’m not implying that there was anything fake, just want to understand how much you had riding on Matt for this show. Or it might that you would have just shown Matt not rising up to the task. Hard to imagine though as that would have been devastating to Matt’s personal life had he not answered the call.
I’m a big admirer of your work. Look forward to seeing more of them.
Matt was amazing and inspiring and I hope he doesnt take the questioning of the show to much to heart, no matter what the technicalites of filming or editing, he stood up and volunteered to land a plane he believed was going to crash, and that makes him a truly remarkable human being.
Excellent entertainment. Had me in floods of tears, but it also worries me greatly. Evidently Matt’s personality has been changed permanently. Although the edit makes it seem like all the changes are positive, there could be some nasty surprises in the future. I fear that Matt’s personality might have been changed so irrevocably that his friends and family will struggle to cope. Maybe his girlfriend actually preferred it when he was a layabout. What happens if his new found confidence leads to risky behaviour which he can’t control? I fear the guy may become so full of himself for being a “hero”, that he’ll leave his girlfriend, or she’ll leave him because “he’s not the man I fell in love with”.
It’s rather creepy that you can alter someone’s life for “entertainment”, but I guess he vlntrd
Sadly some people think so little of human potential that they will have to dismiss this as a ‘fake’. The truth however is that there are those who have and do perform heroic acts just like this frequently. And there are those who can and do dramatically change their lives
We need more of this on TV. It was utterly inspiring and I was genuinely moved. Also really glad Derren is using his fantastic gifts to effect positive change in the world rather than just entertain and bust ‘psychics’.
You ach amaze me :]
I cannae wait till the tour dates come out again, i missed last years but i’ll be sure tae come see you next year. X
Ever considered selling a fear of flying help service?! Would be brilliant! Great show…. as always.
What were the 5 chapters again? Crisis ,Realisation, Embrace Risk, ? ,Face Fear
I known the show is a piece of art and art and stories are meant to inspire, but I really liked the sentiment and think there was some useful ideas put into action.
i loved hero – it was amaze, i cannae wait for more shows in the future :]
x
Just got round to watching the show, and quite frankly, I’m amazed. Probably the most audacious thing I’ve seen done anywhere, and to call it inspirational is the understatement of the century. I’m quite sure it will change a lot of people who saw it; it’s certainly started me off thinking about my own life. Thank you Derren.
Once you have experienced something like this you realise it’s possible.
When I was at University, I was hypnotised in a stage show. Whilst on stage it was the weirdest feeling I had ever experienced. It was like I was outside my body watching somebody else control it.
The scary part was how you can be made to forget about something. The guy gave us some “stolen money” and told us to hide it and then apparently he told us to forget where it was hidden. It was only when I was walking home about 3 hours later that I felt something in my shoe. I took my shoe off and it was stuffed with torn up pieces of newspaper. My friends told me that was the stolen money I had hidden. To all those sceptics out there once you have experienced it, you will appreciate what your sub conscious is capable of
Hey Derren I loved all your shows especially the events and the russian roulette one. I was wondering whether you would make, have made or if you are in the process of making another hero programme or even something completely different. Sorry if you have already announced something and I have missed it.
I am amazed – after watching the show my cravings for drugs have dried up totally. if this is a knock on effect of hero at 30,000ft then thats strong stuff Derren is putting out there! some other cravings have also diminished…but hopefully will comeback…
bit frightening how he does it but if it works i suppose it must be good medicine
I’m going to break into my local zoo tonight and find a crocodile to stroke…
I’d like to say how much respect I have for you and your work. It is impossible to convince an entire country of what you have done, but that simply proves how skilled you are. By being doubted you have created a sense of wonder and disbelief, making your actions seem unreal. That surely proves that a lot of effort and thought has gone into everything. One question: what’s next??
I’m surprised that so many people found the show to be implausable. It wasn’t a great leap in new techniques or shocking stunts from the Heist. I personally found the Heist to be more impressive because of it’s leap. But perhaps the greatest thing that made the Heist more impressive, was that I personally would be far more likely to be willing to try to land a plane in an emergency than rob an armored car.
Not to say that Hero wasn’t wonderful, it certainly was. I particularly like how you’re helping someone (and the viewers) change their lives in a very positive way. I also loved your piece with the pianist for the same reason. Since you do have these amazing capabilities, I’d love to see you helping people out more like this. Thanks.
Thank you, Derren.
Truly inspirational, as always. You, and your team, are the most charismatic, patient and enlightening ‘teachers’ I have ever had. Matt’s journey was a wonder to behold, and I thank you for allowing me to watch.
I can only watch and learn, and hope to carry some of those lessons with me in my life.
Cant wait for the next programme.
Thankyou for answering my question, i did find the whole thing fascinating and very entertaining, cant wait to see what you can come up with next!
Hey,
Derren I love you! But as a 757 trainee I have one problem with this. I noticed that after he landed he just got up and walked out, however at one camera cut all systems were up and running, next cut…none were not even the APU or IRS alignment which to me is strange, as he landed and it was all shut down, anyone shed any light onto this… its just not possible!! Could it have been some other explination like frame rate of camera or light or … i dunno!?
Derren I want to be your apprentice, to carry on your work if you get this all the time by all means throw me in the not to read pile. Im intelligent and crave the direction you give, answer please
I am not sure if this post will make the blind bit of difference or not but here goes….
Derrens mission in life is to ‘be kind’. Anyone who has read his section in ‘Atheists Guide to Christmas’ would get a feeling for this… and it shows with his genuinosity in this show (made that up 🙂 thats he is a loving caring guy. Also, he is a very proud and disciplined individual. He has a rule of ‘no stooges’ whether he is mentioning his trademark disclaimer or not. He is ‘honest about his dishonesty’ as he has also put it.
Also, I am not sure if it has escaped many peoples attention, that he is a dab hand at pattern interruption ‘hypnosis’ and rather good at suggestion… should this not explain part of the show? No? I wish I could explain more but I have run out of characters 🙂
Derren, random question here – but I came to see your show in Norwich a few months ago, ***TOUR SPOILER REMOVED***
By the way, loved hero. Certainly some of the best work you have done so far. So happy for Matt and his accomplishments since you started working with him. Big fat well done sir!
Hello, I’m sure the 170 something comments may be a little tiresome now, but I’ m a little surprised noboby has yet to mention that all planes, (at least I thought) has a co-pilot – for security? I know during this time in such a state of fear and panic, this may not cross your mind. But then if I was looking around the plane, checking who can pilot a plane (that wasn’t me) Well, I think I would be asking that question.
But, that’s not the point. As ever, Derren reminds us of our short, but beautiful lives. Not to be wasted! How easy for us all to be trapped in daily scheduled routes in life. That sometimes you need to take a risk, chase your dreams and live life to the full. I know it sounds cliche, but I’ve always believed in this ethos. I would rather be ashes than dust! – Jack London
I know this is a derogatory question?
But will there be more Heroes?
Well in a programming sense?
excllent show watched it twice ……. more please x