@ SomeUrl – ‘The lines from the audio file are just a load of Ludwig Wittgenstein quotes. Apart from the big paragraph, which is from the Malleus Maleficarum (The Hammer of Witches). I’m sure they have no relevance here in what Derren is doing.’
No relevance? Do you think?
😛 Testing to see if i can steal and copy and paste other people’s smileys. I am so totally crud at anything computery, soz. I make a good veg soup though. Soz for adding to your inbox Abeo and Phillis, but I gotta learn.
You know, I don’t fancy some folks chances in an interview situation when they can’t get the name of the bloke who runs the place correct!
Yeh, I should be writing, but I’m not. I am a bad girl and I will be punished for being lazy lazy lazy this week. Well, distracted. But it has given me many ideas to add to my work; layers, layers, layers.
@Mr Wolf, soz, half my post was missing. Thanks for the smileys, I did do a copy and paste trial to see if it worked just before you sent em. x
I’m not sure how hes done it but i am sure that the whole thing was set-up to prepare us for the other events (the set its filmed on is symbolising roulette e.g black/red/white/green.. floor/doors/balls/exit etc). i also assume hes slipped in a few subliminals for the others lol. well done though Derren you’ve surpassed yourself
Snowflakes=Rotationally Symmetric
2 is an upside down 5
6 is an upside down 9
Might be something there
@ SomeUrl – ‘The Roman persecution of magicians was based entirely on the belief that they had abnormal powers, and the progress of enlightenment might have undermined this belief. But if magic meant collusion with the Devil, belief in it was sure to be magnified under a religion which taught that the world swarmed with devils’? Back to the old religious argument again. I would think the quotes are there for good reason.
i’m guessing, that if you can predict a snowflake, you can predict the lottery. that will have something to do with it. it may be proof that what we think he did is impossible, but what he actually did was possible. the same perspective idea as in the system. but obviously not multiple people/recordings.
also predicting the lottery is not impossible, just highly improbable.
I’m not sure how this is done at all – it’s a fantastic illusion! however there are a few things that appear “odd.”
1. look carefully at the video, there is a marker on the floor where Derren stands, he is very careful to stand upon it and clearly glances down at it.
2. The movement on the camera is suggests it is on a tripod as it rotates but never moves it’s position, this very deliberately encourages the viewer to believe it is being filmed with no tripod – I am doubtful.
3. The base of the stand appears to move independently of the main glass podium, along with points 1 and 2 it points towards very clever use of perspective as to why? I don’t know, however I think that these are the mechanisms used for this illusion.
Well done Derren!
Looking forward to tonight show…
So Phyllis Falsus? What exactly is that supposed to mean then?
@JayKay
Hmmm, Interesting.
If everyone had the same abilities, how could there ever be a minority that truly had dominion… right?
Perhaps people were forced to believe that things were as they were told they were.
There’s always at least one though 😉
Peace People! 😀
(Yes, I might just be crazy… but it’s a good crazy, trust me, haha.)
Does the snowflake represent
cold
Maybe?
Speaking of which, we’re not that far from cold autumn nights in the run-up to Christmas. Brrrr! Chilly enough to be wrapped up all warm and snug. Coats, hats and gloves and everything. There’s an idea popping up above my head but I’ll need to watch again. Can someone point towards the omnibus edition? Is it online?
don’t have a clue about the snowflake except that it’s christmasy so perhaps derren is working for sainsburys as they have put their christmas chocolates out ha ha
personally i’d say the split screen seems like the most likely but i just don’t think he did it that way,
be fair this is derren would he really just do a camera trick?
at the same time i don’t think he genuinely predicted them, i think the point he was trying to do was to show us that it cannot be done
he of all people would have been able to figure out if you could predict it and couldn’t
anywaysss it was awesome 😀
can’t wait for tomorrows
hope i get stuck in my seat haha
the snowflake symbolizes a piece of footage that was cut from the final broadcast.
in it. derren in on top of a red london open top bus. it is oxford circus (last year) all the decorations are up (including snowflakes) he predicts the lottery result a year before the stunt was done.
As to the snow flake and the interpretative conclusions of white, cold, frozen… it’s a good thing the lotto balls weren’t blue. A frozen split screen, come on folks, really? That would be too disappointing and too lame. He’s about misdirection, psychology, suggestion, and showmanship; he wants to create an illusion. As to fractals, they’re based on recursive results, which suggest, that Derren would have to know the first number for any hope of a fractal prediction. My thought: The snowflake generally has six-symmetrical branches that correspond to the six-numbered balls of the lotto. How many crystals grow on a branch, no one knows. It’s what makes each snowflake unique just as the lotto numbers on a ball.
On the other hand, there is the phrase a “snow job”, which roughly means, a long and elaborate misrepresentation. I think somewhere Derren ‘snowed’ us. After all, does he really like ox-tail-soup, or is that, tongue-in-cheek for ox-tale-soup. I bet he’s getting all the tail he wants, but I suspect, he’s just telling us a tale. Speaking of tail, to get the girl to pick box number two he suggested that a mouse stays in the gestational track up to 3-days. Was the true lucky number the unlucky 13 (for the mouse)?
I’m suspicious of our fiendy-friend Derren when he secretively calculates the predicted numbers and they’re sealed without being revealed. I think he misdirecting us here and doesn’t want us to know the calculated numbers because it doesn’t matter. In the end, we draw-the-conclusion that the group got-it-right because of all the build up about group-think and the relative success the group had in predicting numbers. As with prior calculations, why no camera capturing his results? They could have been revealed after the lotto was over. The misdirection was getting the numbers onto the tray.
So how does he get the winning numbers on the tray? TRICKERY! I’ve been bamboozled!! That’s where the money is and why I keep coming back for more. Ugh, I feel so cheap.
How would YOU do that trick without access to a camera for split screen ?
Could you slide a mirror onto the screen without it being seen?
People may argue over the possible method but regardless of how it was achieved, you have to appreciate the brillianceof this effect. Top class!
This is a nice little effect and I must admit that it is a fun conversation starter at any events I am at. I love how many conspiracy theory’s there are for it.. Keep up the good work.
This has to be one of my all time favourite magic tricks. Undeniably brilliant.
A strong contender for the greatest mentalism effect of all time. Utterly superb effect in every way.
I think Derren has mastered the art of the false explanation. The explanation for the lottery effect is arguably more entertaining than the trick itself!
Overall, he’s an excellent mind magician. I’m not a fan myself but I won’t deny he has talent. (unlike Criss Angel for example)
he took the advantage of probability guys..He knows how ppl think and what kind of numbrs they will choose …And simply selected the numbers that are favourable and hoped for the best thats why he said only 5 numbers would be right
Hmm you might be right… paul.
Consider it’s more likely that you could walk up to someone in the street and guess their telephone number than win the lottery…Could Derren Brown do this or get someone else to do it ?
Slarti Bartfast: Well, in one of the first seasons of Trick of the Mind, he did make someone guess a random guy’s computer password. Does that count? (in one the 10 p. mindreader segments)
And somehow, I get the impression your number ends in 42 😛
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@ SomeUrl – ‘The lines from the audio file are just a load of Ludwig Wittgenstein quotes. Apart from the big paragraph, which is from the Malleus Maleficarum (The Hammer of Witches). I’m sure they have no relevance here in what Derren is doing.’
No relevance? Do you think?
😛 Testing to see if i can steal and copy and paste other people’s smileys. I am so totally crud at anything computery, soz. I make a good veg soup though. Soz for adding to your inbox Abeo and Phillis, but I gotta learn.
You know, I don’t fancy some folks chances in an interview situation when they can’t get the name of the bloke who runs the place correct!
Yeh, I should be writing, but I’m not. I am a bad girl and I will be punished for being lazy lazy lazy this week. Well, distracted. But it has given me many ideas to add to my work; layers, layers, layers.
@Mr Wolf, soz, half my post was missing. Thanks for the smileys, I did do a copy and paste trial to see if it worked just before you sent em. x
I’m not sure how hes done it but i am sure that the whole thing was set-up to prepare us for the other events (the set its filmed on is symbolising roulette e.g black/red/white/green.. floor/doors/balls/exit etc). i also assume hes slipped in a few subliminals for the others lol. well done though Derren you’ve surpassed yourself
Snowflakes=Rotationally Symmetric
2 is an upside down 5
6 is an upside down 9
Might be something there
@ SomeUrl – ‘The Roman persecution of magicians was based entirely on the belief that they had abnormal powers, and the progress of enlightenment might have undermined this belief. But if magic meant collusion with the Devil, belief in it was sure to be magnified under a religion which taught that the world swarmed with devils’? Back to the old religious argument again. I would think the quotes are there for good reason.
i’m guessing, that if you can predict a snowflake, you can predict the lottery. that will have something to do with it. it may be proof that what we think he did is impossible, but what he actually did was possible. the same perspective idea as in the system. but obviously not multiple people/recordings.
also predicting the lottery is not impossible, just highly improbable.
I’m not sure how this is done at all – it’s a fantastic illusion! however there are a few things that appear “odd.”
1. look carefully at the video, there is a marker on the floor where Derren stands, he is very careful to stand upon it and clearly glances down at it.
2. The movement on the camera is suggests it is on a tripod as it rotates but never moves it’s position, this very deliberately encourages the viewer to believe it is being filmed with no tripod – I am doubtful.
3. The base of the stand appears to move independently of the main glass podium, along with points 1 and 2 it points towards very clever use of perspective as to why? I don’t know, however I think that these are the mechanisms used for this illusion.
Well done Derren!
Looking forward to tonight show…
So Phyllis Falsus? What exactly is that supposed to mean then?
@JayKay
Hmmm, Interesting.
If everyone had the same abilities, how could there ever be a minority that truly had dominion… right?
Perhaps people were forced to believe that things were as they were told they were.
There’s always at least one though 😉
Peace People! 😀
(Yes, I might just be crazy… but it’s a good crazy, trust me, haha.)
Does the snowflake represent
cold
Maybe?
Speaking of which, we’re not that far from cold autumn nights in the run-up to Christmas. Brrrr! Chilly enough to be wrapped up all warm and snug. Coats, hats and gloves and everything. There’s an idea popping up above my head but I’ll need to watch again. Can someone point towards the omnibus edition? Is it online?
don’t have a clue about the snowflake except that it’s christmasy so perhaps derren is working for sainsburys as they have put their christmas chocolates out ha ha
personally i’d say the split screen seems like the most likely but i just don’t think he did it that way,
be fair this is derren would he really just do a camera trick?
at the same time i don’t think he genuinely predicted them, i think the point he was trying to do was to show us that it cannot be done
he of all people would have been able to figure out if you could predict it and couldn’t
anywaysss it was awesome 😀
can’t wait for tomorrows
hope i get stuck in my seat haha
the snowflake symbolizes a piece of footage that was cut from the final broadcast.
in it. derren in on top of a red london open top bus. it is oxford circus (last year) all the decorations are up (including snowflakes) he predicts the lottery result a year before the stunt was done.
read all about it here
http://ninethirtyfive.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/derren-brown-lottery-reveal-missing-footage-proves-he-rigged-it/
I love your stuff Derren!! You tricky devil.
As to the snow flake and the interpretative conclusions of white, cold, frozen… it’s a good thing the lotto balls weren’t blue. A frozen split screen, come on folks, really? That would be too disappointing and too lame. He’s about misdirection, psychology, suggestion, and showmanship; he wants to create an illusion. As to fractals, they’re based on recursive results, which suggest, that Derren would have to know the first number for any hope of a fractal prediction. My thought: The snowflake generally has six-symmetrical branches that correspond to the six-numbered balls of the lotto. How many crystals grow on a branch, no one knows. It’s what makes each snowflake unique just as the lotto numbers on a ball.
On the other hand, there is the phrase a “snow job”, which roughly means, a long and elaborate misrepresentation. I think somewhere Derren ‘snowed’ us. After all, does he really like ox-tail-soup, or is that, tongue-in-cheek for ox-tale-soup. I bet he’s getting all the tail he wants, but I suspect, he’s just telling us a tale. Speaking of tail, to get the girl to pick box number two he suggested that a mouse stays in the gestational track up to 3-days. Was the true lucky number the unlucky 13 (for the mouse)?
I’m suspicious of our fiendy-friend Derren when he secretively calculates the predicted numbers and they’re sealed without being revealed. I think he misdirecting us here and doesn’t want us to know the calculated numbers because it doesn’t matter. In the end, we draw-the-conclusion that the group got-it-right because of all the build up about group-think and the relative success the group had in predicting numbers. As with prior calculations, why no camera capturing his results? They could have been revealed after the lotto was over. The misdirection was getting the numbers onto the tray.
So how does he get the winning numbers on the tray? TRICKERY! I’ve been bamboozled!! That’s where the money is and why I keep coming back for more. Ugh, I feel so cheap.
Some people will do anything for money…………stupid
Smoke and MIRRORS – simple really. Snowflake – fractals – reflections – perspectives.
How would YOU do that trick without access to a camera for split screen ?
Could you slide a mirror onto the screen without it being seen?
People may argue over the possible method but regardless of how it was achieved, you have to appreciate the brillianceof this effect. Top class!
This is a nice little effect and I must admit that it is a fun conversation starter at any events I am at. I love how many conspiracy theory’s there are for it.. Keep up the good work.
This has to be one of my all time favourite magic tricks. Undeniably brilliant.
A strong contender for the greatest mentalism effect of all time. Utterly superb effect in every way.
I think Derren has mastered the art of the false explanation. The explanation for the lottery effect is arguably more entertaining than the trick itself!
Overall, he’s an excellent mind magician. I’m not a fan myself but I won’t deny he has talent. (unlike Criss Angel for example)
he took the advantage of probability guys..He knows how ppl think and what kind of numbrs they will choose …And simply selected the numbers that are favourable and hoped for the best thats why he said only 5 numbers would be right
Hmm you might be right… paul.
Consider it’s more likely that you could walk up to someone in the street and guess their telephone number than win the lottery…Could Derren Brown do this or get someone else to do it ?
Slarti Bartfast: Well, in one of the first seasons of Trick of the Mind, he did make someone guess a random guy’s computer password. Does that count? (in one the 10 p. mindreader segments)
And somehow, I get the impression your number ends in 42 😛