Agnosticism – copping out?
Nigel Warburton will be on the Richard Bacon show on Radio 5 live, Tues 30th June from midnight, talking on the subject of agnosticism and whether it’s a cop-out. I recently posted a flyer for his talk with the group Dialogue with Islam about whether we need religion. I have heard from a source that there was ‘a symptomatic moment… when the Humanist association organizer without irony asked the Muslims to the pub to carry on the conversation.’
A while ago I was interviewed by Jon Ronson, and since then have met him a few times at a friend’s barbeques. A fascinating and funny man to talk to. Last night I watched his ‘Revelations’ documentary on the Alpha Course, which exists to turn agnostics into Christians. It was on C4, and is well worth a watch if you can find some way of doing so. He followed eight agnostics attending the course, who, through the clever structure of the course days, had Jesus gently and relentlessly sold to them. It became increasingly uncomfortable to watch. Certain things struck me in particular:
1 – Each of the attendees was clearly unhappy. Hence, one imagines, their attending such a course. The relentless and structured selling of any solution to unhappiness in that sort of environment would clearly be effective. Any message could have been offered. In fact, the 1 in 8 success rate the Alpha Course apparently boasts would seem rather low, compared to other life-changing happiness secrets (bogus or otherwise) which could have been proffered instead. Having attended several courses, religious or otherwise in my time, I can testify how quickly one falls in line with thinking, and starts to think and speak as a devotee, enjoying the bonding of the group. It’s a pointer to perhaps how ultimately mundane and misguided the message was at this course that not more attendees were ‘spoken to’. Loads of unhappy people ready to accept God, and the perfect environment to find him: you’d imagine a least as much enthusiasm and ‘conversion’ as from an NLP course, surely?
2. I can’t reconcile in my mind the person of Jesus, whoever he was in history, and the modern need to have a course as manipulative as this one. It’s a shame that God seems to need salesmen, and a structure as ultimately cynical and carefully thought-through as the Alpha Course to connect with people. There were parallels with a time-share ‘talk’ that I once went to, and echoes of plenty of brain-washing techniques from history. What a shame that people, especially unhappy ones, need to be broken down in such a familiar way. The Christians involved I’m sure, don’t see it as remotely cynical, just preparing a ground for God to do his best work. But if they don’t also stop and honestly wonder if they’ve been recruited into a persuasion exercise, then they’re doing themselves an injustice. I spoke to an ex-pastor recently from a Charistmatic church who left his calling out of disgust at the manipulative techniques he knew he was employing, and expected to employ, with his congregation. The placing of the music, the manipulative nature of the music itself, the timing of the emotional pleas, the whipping up of the crowd hysteria, the pushing over of people to suggest they’d been ‘slain in the Spirit’, the transparent nonsense of getting everyone to talk in tongues and the arbitrariness of so-called ‘interpretations; the heightening of suggestibility: he had the honesty to realise that nothing separated him from a stage hypnotist or a revivalist showman. He still privately believes, but is disgusted at the manipulative techniques that are used. At the time, it’s hard for him to say if he was being ‘cynical’ or not. Probably not – he was just letting God do his work and providing a rousing experience for his congregation. It took a moment of brave honesty to see what was going on.
3. There was an interesting exchange between a questioning attendee and one of the Christians designated to gently persuade them during the small group meetings. The Christian said that God had spoken to him on a bus. He had been asked to carry out an assignment which he felt was probably too much for him, and God has spoken to him, ‘as a voice inside his head’, to say ‘you can’t do it’. The question was asked – a perfectly sensible one – how did he know it came from God, as opposed to from himself? The question was treated as patronising and offensive, by the very people placed there to answer sensible questions. It was brilliantly symptomatic of the problem: that rational discussion has no place at the table. Just believe it because it’s true. End of story.
Fascinating stuff.
SGC: F5 … I see … but still … symbolic farts from the brain … don’t we do it all now and then? I’m not 100% sure ofcourse, but even Derren will not be free from this now and then. Ofcourse he will have to control himself here a bit more than any of us .. but still … he is, after all, I suspect, of human nature …….
A real fart … that would be something for the future I suppose .. when the internet does have scent features as well … not looking forward to that I must say ..
F5 is a bit old fashioned but as it is all we have to keep up with everything around here … A chat corner would be a nice addition ..
This sort of thing makes me really angry!
My boyfriend got me to watch the God channel and it was a very similar thing. We noticed so many brainwashing techniques and sneaky tricks they were pulling. He found it funny but it was made me mad!
Thanks for the insight Claire – though I’m still no closer to a why here. Surely most folks would simply be too embarrassed and self concious to spout spontaneous gobbledigook at the drop of a hat, so something must have compelled you to do it. Did you actually comprehend the gist of what you were saying or was it simply mindless gibberish to you too? Was it something in the communion wine or the air conditioning? Or was the desire to fit in so great that you simply did it without thinking?
I’ve never seen it in any other context but evangelical churches and their flocks, so there’s definately something going on, but whether it’s group dynamics, the power of suggestion, genuine divine intervention [skeptical] or being doped up to the eyeballs without knowing, I’m still shaky on the details.
I got round to watching this last night. Having walked past Alpha Course posters for many years it was fascinating and eye-opening to see what the course entails. The posters would have you believe it’s a meeting of people to discuss philosophical ideas. I’m still baffled as to why Christianity is allowed to employ these tactics in yet is excluded from accusations of brain-washing and cult-like recruitment tactics.
I cannot even agree with the course member, who at the end, said he had warmed to these people due to their selfless pursuit to help others (or something like that) I find their agenda sinister and disingenuous.
“The question was treated as patronising and offensive, by the very people placed there to answer sensible questions. It was brilliantly symptomatic of the problem: that rational discussion has no place at the table. Just believe it because it’s true. End of story.”
This is where Derren goes all vague. He accuses others of being irrational despite offering no reasonable evidence of it. He then feels that it is sensible to assume that the answer he didn’t like would have been given by all Christians everywhere, and is thus “symptomatic of the problem”. No doubt many reasonable answers were given to questions, but no matter how many he would never call the Christians a shining example of reason.
You are all only nodding because he is saying what you want to hear.
@Ian, I wonder, did you watch the programme?
The exchange in question related to an apparent message from God given on a bus, the question that was asked was entirely rational and the response was disproportionally emotional – this reaction may not have been mirrored by ALL christians, but that does not make the reation in itself any less symptomatic of a larger issue, don’t ask questions that we don’t want to have to think about too much, so we can keep on nodding and choosing to hear (or think about) nothing at all.
@Claire:
“And when my pastor tried to slay me in the spirit I deliberately fell onto the floor to avoid embarrassment…although I was a bit disappointed that despite wanting to randomly collapse like everyone else did, I couldn’t.”
I wonder how many of those present this also applied to. I’d guess there’d be quite a bit of consensual pretending…